Re: CHAT: affricates/grammar help/intransitivity/free word order

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:44:13 -0500, J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:56:56 -0500, # 1 <salut_vous_autre@...> wrote:
>
>>are there languages using others affricates than [t_-S], [d_-Z], [ts], or
>>[dz]?
>>
>>I've never heard about other than these (and i'm not sure than [ts] and
>>[dz] are usually considered like affricates)
>>
>>there could have [kx], [gG], [qX], [G\R], [pp\], [bB], or the labio-dental
>>versions of the 2 lasts, that are easily differenciable
Chatiga has some nice ones :D Besides the normal z /ts/, there's also
tc /tC/, dc /dC/, and then combinations with the fricative glide /Rx/:
prch /pRx/, trch /tRx/, krch /kRx/ and grch /gRx/.

>German has the labiodental affricate [pf]
Yes, but only in the middle of the word or at the end. Word-initial it is "f".

>and German dialects have an
>affricate usually analyzed as [kx], but which could also be described as
>[qX]. For what I know, both are very unusual sounds, that is, there are very
>few natlangs that feature them.
Haven't ever heard it in any dialects I've witnessed... must be really rare
then.

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