Re: EPT:representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

Andreas Johansson wrote:

>Quoting Joe <joe@...>:
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>>Andreas Johansson wrote:
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>>>Quoting Joe <joe@...>:
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>>>>Tristan McLeay wrote:
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>>>>>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>But it's not [6].  I say this after years of experience living around
>>>>>>RP-speakers.  It's more closed than that.  However, when I round it, I
>>>>>>don't get [o], so I'm thinking it's probably [3].
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>>>>>So whats in 'bird'? I thought it was [3:] in RP?
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>>>>It is.  Length contrast, I think.  The only other vowel that does that
>>>>is [E] vs [E:](minimal pair - 'cairn'[kE:n] vs 'ken'[kEn]).
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>>>'Cairn' is [kE:n] in modern RP? My school textbooks indicated it as [ke@n],
>>>and I usually say [kE@n] (I also have [e@] for the vowel in 'ear', which my
>>>texbooks indicated as [I@]).
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>>Well, 'tis in my ideolect.  [E@] and [e@] sound old-fashioned, to my
>>ear.  To me, |air| is [E:], and it's definitely a pure vowel.  In a
>>similar way, I think 'year' is probably [yI@] as of yet, but it's
>>definitely heading towards [yI:].
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>You mean [jI@] and [jI:], no doubt.
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Yes.  Damn my English-speaking instincts.

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