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Re: EPT:representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Sunday, January 18, 2004, 10:28
Quoting Joe <joe@...>:

> Andreas Johansson wrote: > > >Quoting Joe <joe@...>: > > > > > > > >>Tristan McLeay wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Joe wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>But it's not [6]. I say this after years of experience living around > >>>>RP-speakers. It's more closed than that. However, when I round it, I > >>>>don't get [o], so I'm thinking it's probably [3]. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>So whats in 'bird'? I thought it was [3:] in RP? > >>> > >>> > >>It is. Length contrast, I think. The only other vowel that does that > >>is [E] vs [E:](minimal pair - 'cairn'[kE:n] vs 'ken'[kEn]). > >> > > > >'Cairn' is [kE:n] in modern RP? My school textbooks indicated it as [ke@n], > >and I usually say [kE@n] (I also have [e@] for the vowel in 'ear', which my > >texbooks indicated as [I@]). > >
> > Well, 'tis in my ideolect. [E@] and [e@] sound old-fashioned, to my > ear. To me, |air| is [E:], and it's definitely a pure vowel. In a > similar way, I think 'year' is probably [yI@] as of yet, but it's > definitely heading towards [yI:].
You mean [jI@] and [jI:], no doubt. Well, I guess I can live with sounding old-fashioned. To get a good accent (as opposed to a functional one), I'd have to go live in an English-speaking place for a while, and then I'd surely pick up a lot of unhelpful localisms instead. Andreas

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