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Re: Phonology question

From:R. Nierse <rnierse@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 13, 1999, 7:21
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> Van: dirk elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...> > Aan: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...> > Onderwerp: Re: Phonology question > Datum: dinsdag 13 juli 1999 0:00 > > On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Patrick Dunn wrote: > > > Okay, a sound has popped up in my new language and I don't know what to > > call it. > > > > I'd call it an alveolar fricative, but I already have /s/. > > > > It's like a /t/, except the tongue is relaxed, arched slightly so the
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> > tip touches the alveolar ridge. Sounds a bit like a whistle, and it > > occurs at the end of words in my new language. > > Sounds like a (drum roll, please) ... voiceless alveolar retroflex > fricative (tada!). A very nice sound to have. The whistle tipped me off > to its retroflex status, in case you're wondering.
I'm curious about the arching. Does tip of the tongue arch upwards or does the middle part of the tongue arch upwards? If it is the tip, then must be a retroflex /s/. If it is middle of the tongue, could it be the 's' in Basque (as opposed to 'z' [s] and 'x' [S])? I remember some s-sounds in Circassian that have about the some point of articulation and are rounded as well, making it a real whistle. Rob
> > Dirk > > -- > Dirk Elzinga > dirk.elzinga@m.cc.utah.edu "All grammars leak." > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~elzinga/ -Edward Sapir