Re: CHAT: F.L.O.E.S.

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> At 19:38 22.2.2004, Andreas Johansson wrote:
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>> Quoting Joe <joe@...>:
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>> > Yes, well, in a non -Rhotic country, that's not a problem.  On the
>> other
>> > hand, pronouncing 'der' as [d3:] is not on.  By the way - how do
>> Germans
>> > generally pronounce word-final /r/?
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>> Final unstressed '-er' is normally [6]. When a final '-r' is
>> preceeded by
>> another vowel, or a stressed 'e' (incl with mute 'h' thrown on like
>> in 'sehr'), the vowel stays and the 'r' is [6]. After /a/ it may
>> disappear
>> altogether ('klar' [kla:]). 'Der' becomes something like [de6]
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> I.e. like a non-rhotic English _dare_.


In most modern RP-oid dialects, 'dare' is [dE:].  I pronounce german
'der' [de@], or somesuch thing.  A central, unrounded vowel, at least.