Re: CHAT: F.L.O.E.S.

Benct Philip Jonsson scripsit:

> Mine are "Back, Handle and Moe's Art".
"Back" seems a little over the top:  I'd expect /bAk/ ~ /bOk/ at least.

> Ha"ndel may of course have accepted Handle himself...
Indeed.

     Some say, that Signor Bononcini,
     Compared to Handel's a mere ninny;
     Others aver, to him, that Handel
     Is scarcely fit to hold a candle.
     Strange! That such high dispute should be
     'Twixt Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
		--John Byrom (1692-1763)

The first appearance, as far as is known, of the Tweedle brothers.
I wonder whether "Bononcini" is made to be -sinny or -chinny.

> >Furthermore, it turns out that Boston scrod
> >("I never heard the pluperfect tense before")
>
> What's the joke?
	As he prepared to catch his flight to Boston, the traveller's
	colleague advised him to try the fish there; "In particular, the
	scrod is excellent."  On arrival in Boston, the traveller hailed a
	cab and asked the driver, "Where can I get scrod?"  The driver was
	silent for a moment then replied, "Buddy, I've heard that question
	a million times, but never in the pluperfect subjunctive."

Scrod is rightly any young cod, haddock, or similar whitefish, split and
boned <? MDu. _schrood_ 'shred'.

> I would rather have expected /k&r@ouki/.  Where does /i/ as
> pronunciation of _a_ come from?
Joticization plus a kind of reverse i-umlaut, I guess: [-@jou-] >
[-Ijou-] > [-ijou-].

> Myself I don't tolerate [bEnt] for Benct, for perhaps obvious
> reasons, while I do tolerate [bE~t] and [beint], and even [bEn],
How about [b*Nkt], which would be anglophone instinct?  (* = [I], [E],
or [i], which are all neutralized before [N]).

You once said that your name sounded like a negative in a noisy channel,
from which I concluded it was something like [bE~].

> as well as ['fIlIp dZAnsn=] rather than [fi:lip jUns:on].
> When my father travelled in France he even made it easy for himself
> by accepting _Philippe Johnson_ (giving his surname as
> "Comme le president Americain", which gives away the age he would
> have been, had he still lived.
Well, not really; he could have traveled in France in his late teens,
in which case he would be merely in his mid-fifties today, but he
might have been much older.

> Rather a rule "anything funny involving _c z s x_ is /z/.
> I've heard Tibetan initial _Ts-_ as /z/ from Anglophones!
Doubtless under the influence of "Tsar" = "Czar" /zAr\/.

> Anglophones do better pronounce _ä/æ_ as /&/ to be on the safe side! :)
Well, it depends I suppose on how ATR their /&/ may be.  Americans tend to
the highly advanced, like Conservative RP, but modern RP closely approaches
/E/ in "man" anyhow, which I suppose means that "men" is moving up.

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