Re: CHAT: F.L.O.E.S.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:35:40PM -0500, jcowan@REUTERSHEALTH.COM wrote:
> Benct Philip Jonsson scripsit:
>
> > Mine are "Back, Handle and Moe's Art".
>
> "Back" seems a little over the top:  I'd expect /bAk/ ~ /bOk/ at least.
Indeed.  For me, when speaking English, it's ['jou.han.s@'b&s.tSn=.bak],
[dZO`\rdZ'frI.d@.rIk'han.dEl] (I accept [han.dl=]/[han.d@l] but don't
produce it), and ['wUlf.g&N'a.m@,dej.@s'mou.tsa`r\t].  I am of course
perfectly capable of pronouncing the names in the German fashion, but
I see no reason to do so when not speaking German.

> > I would rather have expected /k&r@ouki/.  Where does /i/ as
> > pronunciation of _a_ come from?
>
> Joticization plus a kind of reverse i-umlaut, I guess: [-@jou-] >
> [-Ijou-] > [-ijou-].
What's "joticization?"

>
> > Myself I don't tolerate [bEnt] for Benct, for perhaps obvious
> > reasons, while I do tolerate [bE~t] and [beint], and even [bEn],
My mental pronunciation of BPJ's name has been [bENkt].

> How about [b*Nkt], which would be anglophone instinct?  (* = [I], [E],
> or [i], which are all neutralized before [N]).
Not in all 'lects.  For me, the I/i distinction goes away before N, but E
is not part of that group; if anything, it merges with &.  For instance,
my pronunciation of "length" varies from [l&NT] through [lENT] to
[leNT], but its vowel is never anything like the vowel in e.g. "cling".
Most of the time it's the same weird diphthong I have in "bag", which
I've never managed to get a handle on. Something like [a&] or [&j].

> > Anglophones do better pronounce _ä/æ_ as /&/ to be on the safe side! :)
Sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread; in what language's
orthography is this ä/æ?  Certainly the Norwedish variety is nothing
like [&]?

-Mark

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