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Re: Names for derivative forms - request for comments PLEASE :)

From:FFlores <fflores@...>
Date:Wednesday, March 8, 2000, 3:20
Eric Christopherson <raccoon@...> wrote:


>Hi, all. I've FINALLY written down some of my ideas for Dhak deverbatives.
>Nomen actionis (gerund?) > -Refers to the performance/occurrence of the action/event > >Examples: My going to the movies (from "to go to the movies") > His intolerance (from "to be intolerant")
Is this habitual or actual action? (I think there's more to this later, but maybe you could leave that to verb morphology... assuming you can 'deverb' a verb stem already inflected like that.
>Nomen agentis - inanimate > -Refers to the thing which performs the action (always habitual?) > >Example: The printer (from "to print")
>Instrument > -Refers to an item which commonly allows or facilitates the action > >Example: The pen/pencil (from "to write")
I don't see any difference between those two. Well, the printer prints 'by itself', but not really... Deciding where to cross the line between an inanimate agent and an instrument could be tricky. What if the printer is really an old press operated by hand?
>Associative > -Refers to a miscellaneous object (or being?) somehow > commonly associated with the action/event > >Example: Food? (from "to eat") > Midwife (from "to be born") (animate)
For food I'd use a new category, _nomen patientis_ or the like. For midwife, maybe 'co-agent' or 'cooperating agent'? These two examples don't seem to fit on the same category.
>Conceptive* > -Refers to the concept, belief, idea, etc. that action/event > happen(s) > >Example: That he be/is late (from "to be late")
"His non-punctualness"? Otherwise this would sound very much like the _nomen actionis_.
>Occasion > -Refers to a larger occasion surrounding or connected to the > action/event > >Examples: The movie (from "to show a movie") > The test (from "to test") > The wedding (from "to marry")
Isn't this the same as the resultative? (Not criticizing, just positing the question so that you can think about it :) and find some difference -- I can see some, though very subtle).
>Institution* > -Refers to an institution (or office?) associated with the > action/event > >Examples: The leadership/government (from "to rule") > My senatorship (i.e. my being a senator) (from "to be senator")
'Leadership' seems to fit more into the conceptive. All in all, an impressive categorization. I think I'll steal some neat things here and there... :) --Pablo Flores http://www.geocities.com/pablo-david/index.html http://www.geocities.com/pablo-david/draseleq.html