Re: [wEr\ Ar\ ju: fr6m] ?

I can hear the difference most distinctly. It might help to say 'gone' and
'born' which are [gQ:n] and [bO:n] for me and _definately_ don't rhyme
(the Macquarie gives /gO:n/ for 'gone', though, but when I was just new to
the list something came up and an Adelaidean (now not active) said that he
had a vowel he had in no other word in 'gone'. Of course, it might be that
NSW doesn't have this feature). Another way is to compare an American
'/O/' (really [Q:]) with an Aussie. Or, of course, it could be that
Sydney's seen a Q>O or O:>Q: sound change...

Tristan

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, D Tse wrote:

> [Q] is the rounded open back vowel, right? Even with IPA Help, I
> can't really hear the difference between that and [O]. I'll just
> check the Macquarie dictionary, which uses IPA...
>
> It has [Q] for the word "pot" and [O] for the word "port".
>
> I'm not really sure at all, actually... Can anyone else hear the
> difference?
>
> Imperative
>