Re: Yet another ASCII-IPA scheme...

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:54:03 +0100, Jörg Rhiemeier
<joerg.rhiemeier@...> wrote:

>I have read in more than one source that laterals are always coronal,
>and I have no idea how to produce a velar lateral either.  Are you sure
>about it really being a *velar* lateral?  Many phoneticists judge a
>velar lateral impossible, give or take an IPA symbol for it.
>But well, one can add symbols for palatal and velar laterals,
>no problem.
It's way too far back to be a palatal lateral. It does seem like it might
be articulated differently than the other velar sounds. If I try to produce
a stop in the same position, it doesn't sound quite like [g], but it's
closer to that than [J\]. Since IPA doesn't distinguish any points of
articulation between palatal and velar, it's probably best just to call it
a velar lateral.

Do any of the IPA sound sites have recordings of the sound used for the
small-capital-L symbol? I should check to see if it really sounds like the
Devérrin sound.

>>       Since I didn't have an IPA symbol for it (this was before the
>> small-capital-L started showing up on the IPA charts), I used the pound
>> sign {£}, which at least looks like some variety of {L}.
>
>The pound sign, however, is non-ASCII.
My Devérrin notes were all hand-written; I never considered putting them on
the computer until much later.

>>       It doesn't
>> contrast phonemically with a velarized "l", but it doesn't sound like one
>> either (more like a cross between "l" and the American "r" sound;
>> I think I actually used "lr" as a romanized spelling).
>
>Well, all of my attempts producing a velar lateral ended up yielding
>a velarized one.  Your `cross between "l" and the American "r" sound'
>would probably be a co-articulation of both, i.e. a velarized lateral.
The tongue tip doesn't touch anywhere in the Devérrin sound.

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