Re: Tense marked on nouns

On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 04:06:16AM +0200, Remi Villatel wrote:
>
> Sally Caves wrote:
>
> > Only in some conlangs? :)  elry krespr, "past-I write"?  (I wrote)  Unless I
> > still misunderstand you here.  When the VERB is marked morphologically, you
> > say?  or when TENSE is marked morphologically?  Most Teonaht verbs have next
> > to no tense/aspect/person/number morphology.  Only moveable affixes.  They
> > are marked, however, for volitionality.
>
> This example "past-I write" stroke my eyes. My conlang Shaquelingua also
> uses a clause-level marker which can be used on nouns with an adjectivale
> value. (In Shaquelingua, verbs aren't marked for anything, they don't
> exist.) The marker is a modal+tense compound, with a very large set of modal
> values.
>
> ve ke-kebis bj? to'kja. [ve: ke:kebis bjO to:.kja]
>
> the (imperative past)-work (descriptor) (indicative future)
>
> = I will do the work that was demanded.
>
> (The "descriptor" means that "work" is a physical object/action undergoing
> manipulation/execution.)
>
> ----------
>
> tu'?aki seje lasjo-kebis t?l'r? fil?jhge.
> 		[tu:Caki seje 4a.sjo:kebis t94(9)r?: fi4Ej.ge]
>
> (indicative distant future)'we own (negative potential future)-work
> (descriptor)'(undefined plural) robot.
>
> = We'll give to robots the work we won't be able (to do).
>
> (The "descriptor" means that "work" is an immaterial object/action that is
> effectively transmitted.)
>
> (And [4] is the japanese r/l, an alveolar flap.)
>
> ----------
>
> Sometimes this modal+tense compound actually behaves like an english modal
> verb. Maybe it was so in an ancient form of Shaquelingua? I don't know, I
> haven't studied much of its history.
>
> do'rja ; kili ; jo'kja. [do:.xja] [ki4i] [jo:.kja]
>
> (conditional future)'thou ; also ; (implicative future)'I
>
> = If you (will) then I (will) too.
>
> ----------
>
> di?reo'rja ; jisjeo'rja. [di.Cxe^o:.xja] [ji.sje^o:.xja]
>
> (conditional volutive atemporal)'thou ;
> (implicative potential atemporal)'thou.
>
> = If you want, (then) you can.
>
> ----------
>
> lako'kaja deo-govil? ! [4ako:kaja: de^o:govil9]
>
> (negative imperative future)'my (conditional atemporal)-friend.
>
> = Don't (do it) if you're my friend!
>
> If you wonder why I use the imperative future, that's because whenever you
> order something to someone, it's always for an action in the future, at
> least after the end of your sentence. A progressive tense much closer to our
> present exists in Shaquelingua but you won't use it unless you're already
> pushing your (wannabe) friend aside or removing the hands of a child from
> hir plate.
>
> laki'rja ! [4aki:.xja]
>
> (negative imperative progressive retrospective)'thou.
>
> = Stop it!
>
> ----------
>
> ji ka?t?lu soe, [ji: ka.CtO4u so^e] (one soon until)
>
> --
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> Remi Villatel
> maxilys_@_tele2.fr
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Well, it sounds strange, and I also think these structures only exist in conlangs.