* daniel andreasson <daniel.andreasson@...> [001015 17:28]:
> kaleissin the storyteller skrifði:
>
> > > >
http://www.unil.ch/ling/phonetique/api-eng.html
>
> I got my soundcard working. For some strange reason I can listen
> to cd:s, mp3:s and ra-files, but not au and wav-files. Though I think
> I can now. ... No I can't. It says:
>
> "Cannot play back the audio stream: no audio hardware is available,
> or the hardware is not responding."
>
> which is weird, since I obviously can listen to other kinds of
> soundfiles. Any suggestions what to do?
> > > Ok. So {oí} sounds something like {wi} in "twin"? And would be
> > > spelled "toín" in târuven?
>
> > A+. {oí} is of course different from {uí}.
>
> Yep. For some reason I can't get into my head that {o} is /u/ and
> {u} is /}/. You'd think I could, since I'm Swedish. :)
Hehe yeah. The entire line of closed vowels is neat though, i y u o
in târuven (/i/ /y/ /}/ /u/). Very "top-heavy" language :) So far,
all daughter- and sister-languages I've found have at least collapsed
the y with u or i.
The following diphthongs exist in the vocab I have today, sorted by
frequency: aì eì uì aò yé yá yú yè uí uà oé aá oò oì oá iá ià eà aé
> > > And the {y} of {yí} isn't really a /j/ but rather something in
> > > between /j/ and /w/?
>
> > Yep. {ió} and {yó} are "of course" different ;)
>
> Must be hard to tell the difference in normal speech though. Not that
> it's necessary I guess. Context is everything.
That pair is actually quite easy... {oì} and {o}{ygrave} would be
rather worse :) In an earlier incarnation, those were written {oì}
and {óy}. Nowadays they're the same, pronounced as the latter,
written as the former. Same for {uì} and former {úy}.
> > > Summary so far: The only thing I'm having problems with is the
> > > pronunciation of /L/ and /H/.
>
> > Don't fuss over 'em; if the {i} of {aì} is the closest to /j/, the {i}
> > of {åì} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/ or if you like a rounded /j/.
> > The difference between {aò} and {aù} is that {ò} is closest to /w/
> > while {ù} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/, but closer to /w/ than the
> > {ì} of {åì}. Btw, /H/ is in the French word _lui_ /lHi/ or something
> > like that.
>
> AHA! _Now_ I got it! Why didn't you say so in the first place? :)
Ah goody you mean that explanation works? Maybe I can finally update
the sounds-page then :)
> > Old form of owl was {ooo}, now it's {ou'o}
>
> Doesn't get more onomatopoetic than that, does it? :)
>
> Is there some kind of tonal / intonational difference between the vowels?
> Like: /u_L.u_H.u_L/ ?
High-low-low I guess, or global fall if ya *really* want to be
onomatopoetic :)
> > > > An aìóáoùíoóêy is probably some form of bird.
>
> > > Yikes. Ok. Here's a try:
> > >
> > > /AL.wA.wu.jo.we:.y/ or perhaps: AL.wAou.jo.we:.y/
>
> > Roughly: /ALwA.uwi.u_Lu_H:\.e:.y/
>
> Hmm. My try wasn't that close. So there's a tetraphthong in
> the beginning? That was somewhat hard to see. I petty those
> little târuven (what _is_ the adjective again?) children trying
> to learn how to read and write at school. Ouch.
Tip: count number of vowels with graves and acutes that are next
to eachother, add 1 (for the diacriticless vowel in front), and
hey presto!
> > > Okej. How 'bout: {ajwaåwjowêy}? ;)
>
> > {j} is /Z/ (voiced post-alveolar fricative).
>
> Okay. Change {j} to {zh} then... ;)
Haven't got a single digraph yet and I'd like to keep it that way. If
{'}, which marks aspiration for consonants and breathiness for vowels
(which both are phonemic at least in the onset of a syllable), is
replaced with {h} then no digraphs with {h} will be possible.
> > [..] {,} is /j/ and I'd like to replace that one too.
Actually it marks palatalization or a hyper-short closed front vowel
whose rounding depends on it's neighbors. I've thought of replacing it
with {µ} mu, but I've also thought of using that one for nasals that
take their point of articulation from their neighbors.
Nor tie bars, which I need...
> > Samples of some dialects of Norwegian, both in IPA, X-SAMPA and sound:
> >
http://benoni.hf.ntnu.no/dialektprover/indexe.html (From my uni., I
> > know several of the speakers.)
>
> mp3's I can listen to. ... But not that one apparently. Arrghs!
> What's up with my computer?!?!?