Re: Dalmatian Grammar - an outline (Part 2)

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Christophe Grandsire wrote:

> En réponse à Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...>:
>
> > VERBS
> >
>
> No Perfect indicative (or Past simple)? Did the imperfect take over all past
> nuances?
It seems that that came from South Slavic, though the imperfect remained
in use in Dalmatian whereas in south Slavic generally only the "isao
sam" (go-past part to be-pres ind.) construction remained in use, which
construction is the Dalmatian past perfect indicative.

> > FUTURE IND
> >
> > go meu a dzimete / dzimetemeu
> > tu meres a dzimete / dzimetemeres
> > il mea a dzimete / dzimetemea
> > nos merme a dzimete / dzimetemerme
> > vos meres a dzimete / dzimetemeres
> > eis meren a dzimete / dzimetemeren
> >
>
> Interesting to use "to go" for the future. Dalmatian didn't suffer as much
> Baltic influence as Romanian, did it? Or else I think it would have taken a
> future with "to want", like Romanian, Bulgarian or Modern Greek.
I think it is interesting too, as south Slavic uses the verb hteti (to
want) in this situation too, so yes, it is interesting that the future is
made with "to go". But, the formations did have Slavic influence there,
as they have "ja hocu da idem / ja hocu ici / idecu"

>
> > PRESENT SUBJUNCTIVE             PAST SUBJUNCTIVE
> >
> > go bi dzimetetu                 go ai fusu bi dzimetetu
>
> Where does "bi" come from?
South Slavic, "on bi isao" etc.

>
> > PRESENT CONDITIONAL             PAST CONDITIONAL
> >
> > go sce dzimete                  go sce dzimetetu
>
> Same question with "sce". :)
This one I don't know where it's from. I think it might be related to the
Romanian "as," is used in this construction.

>
> > Pres participle: dzimetavsciu
> >
>
> /dzimetavSu/? What a strange word to pronounce :)) . Does this present
> participle formation come from Slavic langs?
Yes, 100%.

>
> >
> >         IRREGULAR VERB: a esta "to be"
> >
> > PRES IND        IMPERF IND      FUT IND SHORT           IMPERATIVE
> > nos sme         nos airame      esmerme
>
> I like those initial clusters in /sm/, it looks so nicely un-Romance :) .
That's from South Slavic too.

> >
> >         IRREGULAR VERB: a mea "to go"
> >
> > PRES IND        IMPERF IND      FUT IND SHORT           IMPERATIVE
> >
> > go meu          go irya         irmea
>
> Where do the infinitive and present forms come from?
That is from Latin "meo", which is also like Romanian "merg". I think
cognate with English "merge".

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Ferenc Gy. Valoczy

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