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Re: OT: YAEPT: English low vowels (was briefly: Re: Y/N variants (< OT: English a...

From:ROGER MILLS <rfmilly@...>
Date:Friday, December 14, 2007, 4:46
Tristan wrote:
>Gary Shannon wrote: > > --- "T. A. McLeay" <conlang@...> wrote: > > > >> Mark J. Reed wrote: > >> > >>> Right. Not all Americans have the LOT/THOUGHT merger, not even those >who > >>> have the PALM/LOT merger. This is why there are so dadgum many >lexical > >> sets > >>> in Wells's list; i'm almost certain that no single dialect >distinguishes > >> all > >>> of them. > >> There's Americans without the PALM/LOT merger? > > > > I'm a native born American and I can't recall ever hearing anybody merge > > PALM/LOT. Both PALM/LOT and LOT/THOUGHT mergers would just sound weird >to my > > Amuriken ears. PALM/THOUGHT on the other hand share the same vowel >sound.
> >Really? The vowel referred to by the PALM lexical set is also the vowel >in fAther.
Is that also the vowel of LOT? it would be for me. Actually Palm, calm, balm etc. (I feel) are not quite the vowel of Father-- Palm etc. is a little more back and a little lower, but I suspect that's due to the following l+C cluster.
>(I gather some Americans pronounce "palm" with an /l/,
(raises hand)
>for instance, tho >I don't know if this is done with the vowel in the PALM (probably, see >above) , THOUGHT or TRAP >(Definitely not.)


T. A. McLeay <conlang@...>