Re: OT: YAEPT: English low vowels (was briefly: Re: Y/N variants (< OT: English a...

ROGER MILLS wrote:

>> Really? The vowel referred to by the PALM lexical set is also the vowel
>> in fAther.
>
> Is that also the vowel of LOT? it would be for me.
You ask me essentially the same question I asked. PALM (which includes
fAther) is a different lexical set from LOT, so for some people
(including me) PALM/fAther is different from LOT. My question is whether
there exist Americans who, like me, have a different vowel for PALM and
LOT (regardless of what vowel they have in "palm", which is of a
different category of things from PALM, in much the same way most
oranges are oranges, but some are green).

>Actually Palm, calm, balm
> etc. (I feel) are not quite the vowel of Father-- Palm etc. is a little more
> back and a little lower, but I suspect that's due to the following l+C
> cluster.
If the difference is not phonetic, it's probably not relevant. I have a
different vowel in "hill" and "hid", but they're both members of the KIT
lexical set.

Roger quoted Garry Shannon writing:
>>> > > Amuriken ears. PALM/THOUGHT on the other hand share the same vowel
>> >sound.
>
> Eh???
And quoted me (interspersing his comments):
>> for instance, tho
>> I don't know if this is done with the vowel in the PALM (probably, see
>> above) , THOUGHT or TRAP
>> (Definitely not.)
Eep! Not surprisingly for a YAEPT I get two contradictory answers to the
same question. Fortunately, I can read the implied "IMLs" and "IMEs" :)

--
Tristan.

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