Re: OT: YAEPT: English low vowels (was briefly: Re: Y/N variants (< OT: English a...
|From:||T. A. McLeay <conlang@...>|
|Date:||Friday, December 14, 2007, 5:12|
ROGER MILLS wrote:
>> Really? The vowel referred to by the PALM lexical set is also the vowel
>> in fAther.
> Is that also the vowel of LOT? it would be for me.
You ask me essentially the same question I asked. PALM (which includes
fAther) is a different lexical set from LOT, so for some people
(including me) PALM/fAther is different from LOT. My question is whether
there exist Americans who, like me, have a different vowel for PALM and
LOT (regardless of what vowel they have in "palm", which is of a
different category of things from PALM, in much the same way most
oranges are oranges, but some are green).
>Actually Palm, calm, balm
> etc. (I feel) are not quite the vowel of Father-- Palm etc. is a little more
> back and a little lower, but I suspect that's due to the following l+C
If the difference is not phonetic, it's probably not relevant. I have a
different vowel in "hill" and "hid", but they're both members of the KIT
Roger quoted Garry Shannon writing:
>>> > > Amuriken ears. PALM/THOUGHT on the other hand share the same vowel
And quoted me (interspersing his comments):
>> for instance, tho
>> I don't know if this is done with the vowel in the PALM (probably, see
>> above) , THOUGHT or TRAP
>> (Definitely not.)
Eep! Not surprisingly for a YAEPT I get two contradictory answers to the
same question. Fortunately, I can read the implied "IMLs" and "IMEs" :)