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Re: USAGE: Shavian: was Re: USAGE: Con-graphies

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 13, 2006, 7:17
Yahya Abdal-Aziz wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>>It has when combined with universal education. Indeed, as I showed in an >>email a week or so back, there has in my lifetime been a distinct move >>towards _spelling pronunciations_ in words such as 'often', 'pestle', >>'porpoise', 'tortoise' inter_alia. > > > Yes, I read that. FWIW, I've never yet heard an > Australian, New Zealander or South African give > a spelling pronunciation to either 'porpoise' or > 'tortoise' - except in jest. You know the story > about "To all in tents and porpoises"? > > BTW, my wife and her family all say "fore-head"; > even her parents used to (both died at over 90), > whereas I and my family all say "forrid", rhyming > perfectly with "horrid" and "torrid".
...and I still say 'forrid' - 'cause that's the way everyone around me said it when I was a youngster. But, indeed, the erstwhile silent -h- has been restored fairly widely among generations younger than mine. Seems as tho it reached Oz many years ago, so it is probably only a matter of time before the strange porpOYzes & tortOYzes arrive there (the spelling pronunciation seems to stress the [Qj] sound) A fairly universal example of spelling pronunciation is _hotel_. In my grandparents' generation it was still commonly pronounced the French way with no initial [h]. But that pronunciation is practically never heard now, except of course among those who have no initial [h] for any word. -- Ray ================================== ================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760


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