Re: USAGE: XH etc. (was: RE: RV: Old English)

At 1:02 pm +0200 31/3/00, BP Jonsson wrote:
>At 06:58 31.3.2000 +0100, Raymond Brown wrote:
>
>[khosa]
>>All the S.African anglophones I've met pronounce it /'kous@/ or /'ko:s@/.
>>Chambers Dictionary gives /'kous@/ or /'kouz@/.
>>
>> >I've a vague idea it starts with some kind
>> >of lateral click, but expect to be enlightened by responses to this
>> >message.
>>
>>An voiceless, aspirated lateral click - and the /o/ is, of course. 'pure'.
>
>Since _Lluyd_ [sp?]
_llwyd_ in Welsh.

>became _Floyd_ in English
Yes, one version of the surname is Floyd, but by far the more common form
is Lloyd /lOjd/.   The anglo representation of the Welsh voiceless lateral
fricative as /fl/ is IME quite obsolete.  The forms I've heard during the
past half-century from anglophones who haven't mastered the Welsh sound,
but don't want to appear entirely ignorant and just say [l], are [Tl], [xl]
(rare, and only by anglos who pronounce Bach as /bax/) and [kl].

>one would expect /klows@/ or
>/klO:sa/ from the SAF Anglos.  A lateral click certainly doesn't sound
>/k/-ish to me!
Maybe not, but /k/ is certainly what I've heard.

Ray.



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