Re: USAGE: XH etc. (was: RE: RV: Old English)
|From:||Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, April 1, 2000, 19:16|
At 1:02 pm +0200 31/3/00, BP Jonsson wrote:
>At 06:58 31.3.2000 +0100, Raymond Brown wrote:
>>All the S.African anglophones I've met pronounce it /'kous@/ or /'ko:s@/.
>>Chambers Dictionary gives /'kous@/ or /'kouz@/.
>> >I've a vague idea it starts with some kind
>> >of lateral click, but expect to be enlightened by responses to this
>>An voiceless, aspirated lateral click - and the /o/ is, of course. 'pure'.
>Since _Lluyd_ [sp?]
_llwyd_ in Welsh.
>became _Floyd_ in English
Yes, one version of the surname is Floyd, but by far the more common form
is Lloyd /lOjd/. The anglo representation of the Welsh voiceless lateral
fricative as /fl/ is IME quite obsolete. The forms I've heard during the
past half-century from anglophones who haven't mastered the Welsh sound,
but don't want to appear entirely ignorant and just say [l], are [Tl], [xl]
(rare, and only by anglos who pronounce Bach as /bax/) and [kl].
>one would expect /klows@/ or
>/klO:sa/ from the SAF Anglos. A lateral click certainly doesn't sound
>/k/-ish to me!
Maybe not, but /k/ is certainly what I've heard.
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
[J.G. Hamann 1760]