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Re: Comparison of philosophical languages

From:Padraic Brown <elemtilas@...>
Date:Monday, January 20, 2003, 16:54
--- Andrew Nowicki <andrew@...> wrote:

> Sally Caves wrote:
> Very interesting post! I agree that a rigid > taxonomical language does not make sense.
Then why try to foist one on an unsuspecting world? Every post you've made about your auxlang has implied if not outright spelled out a taxonomical language. Look at the words you've given and their "translations". Every single one is an exercise in sorting and taxonomy.
> Of all the languages that > I know Ygyde is the most promising because it
OK. You've invoked Throckmorton's Law three times now. That's QUITE ENOUGH, thank you!
> vegetable = obiby = "noun anatomical part of a > multicellular plant food" > carrot = odibiby = "noun long anatomical... > food" > cauliflower = ocibiby = "noun sexual > anatomical... food" > corn = otybiby = "noun high anatomical... food" > garlic = olubiby = "noun smelly anatomical... > food" > lettuce = okubiby = "noun lightweight > anatomical... food" > onion = ojibiby = "noun optical anatomical... > food" > parsley = olibiby = "noun medical anatomical... > food" > potato = opebiby = "noun warm anatomical... > food"
OK. So you replace Sally's ellilli ellillo ellilla ellillylally by ollibby ollibbo ollibbu ollibbinabbyo.
> Ygyde's grammar does not say that names of > vegetables must sound similar,
It's very structure demands that outcome even so.
> > > When you learn a new language, you do not > > > walk around with dictionaries, > > > Sure you do.
> I did not use dictionaries when I was learning > my mother tongue.
Note that you specified "new langauge" not "mother language".
> > But this system can only go so far. Let > > anyone stray > > from it by introducing a new word, or let > > it evolve > > as all languages do, and it will start > > developing idiosyncracies and > > irregularities and > > eventually maggelities. > > <G> Unless you try to "fix" it-- Jonathan > > Swift's mistake. > > Ygyde's grammar imposes some standards that > cannot > be abolished. If Ygyde becomes a mother tongue, > idiosyncrasies are most likely in the names of > flora, fauna, food, and dress.
You don't get it, do you? Language doesn't work that way. Idiosyncrasies pop up _everywhere_ in a language.
> Basic ideas and > technical names have no reason to drift into > idiosyncrasies.
Sure they do. They do it all the time. You come across as a person who, while an eager conlanger, is not that familiar with the realities you're dealing with. Television becomes tele or teevee. Cat becomes pussy. #11 scalpel becomes knife.
> If two different kinds of food > are > called "container food," we can distinguish > them as > "american container food" and "spanish > container food."
Funny that neither container food thus far mentioned are either "American" or "Spanish".
> Or we can guess the meaning from the context. > Television, > Internet, fast food chains, and globalization > may prevent idiosyncrasies.
Nah. They just create more space for idiosyncrasies to happen in and more people to make them. Padraic. ===== ay aci kes? ao o may mech? si ay 'ci kes, feri kes; si nay ne kes mech, feri que láes! .


Joe <joe@...>
Andrew Nowicki <andrew@...>
Sally Caves <scaves@...>