Re: CHAT behove etc (was: Natlag: Middle English impersonal verbs)

I'm living in Vancouver BC now, but I lived in Portland OR for some time.

* luck and look: I pronounce look as [l2k] and luck as [lak].
* does and could: [daz] and [kud], oddly.
* camp and cap (example from another message on the list, which some
people called the same vowel): [kjemp] and [kep].

I know I use fewer vowels, I for some reason am sort of
vowel-differences-deaf (\a la tone-deaf).  But this is what others
have said is my vowel pattern.

On 3/10/06, Elliott Lash <erelion12@...> wrote:
> Uh oh. You know I think I started the YAEPT. I'm going
> respond to Mark personally.
>
> --- "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> wrote:
>
> > Ray, shame on you, starting YAEPT!
> >
> > On 3/10/06, Elliott Lash <erelion12@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Ray wrote:
> > >
> > > > So I see. In most (all?) varieties of English
> > the
> > > > vowels in _does_ and
> > > > _bother_ are different. And AFAIK the words
> > _does_
> > > > and _could_ only
> > > > share the vowels in parts of north England.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I believe I pronounce these two words with the
> > same
> > > vowel...and I'm from New York.
> >
> > There are always exceptions, but even if that's true
> > in your idiolect,
> > it's not the norm in New York.
> >
> > In GenAm,  "does" is something like [dVz] (same
> > vowel as "luck") while
> > "could" is [kUd] (with the same vowel as "look").
> > Do you pronounce
> > "luck" and "look" the same?  (Or other such pairs as
> > buck/book,
> > putt/put, etc.)
> >
> > AFAIK, having only read volume 1 of Wells' book, a
> > /V/~/U/ merger
> > (into something closer to [U] than to [V]) is
> > typical of North Britain
> > (Scotland and northern bits of England), rare
> > elsewhere.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
> >
>
>
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