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Re: elv ned'm concurrent pronoun systems

From:FFlores <fflores@...>
Date:Sunday, March 7, 1999, 15:02
Joe Mondello <Rugpretzel@...> wrote:

> last night I discovered the following quirk of ned'm grammar. There a=
re two
> pronouns systems that are apparently unrelated. when a verb is used wi=
th
> pronoun system 1 it takes its meaning1. when used with pronoun system2
(the
> weryool, or so called "pain pronouns"). They take a completely differen=
t,
> usually unrelated meaning.
[snip]
> e.g . loy meaning1-to like, meaning2- to molest, touch against one's
will
>=20 > es loyu =F3rm mesh > I-1 like-1s sister of-you > I like your sister >=20 > chay l=F3loy =F3rm mesh > I-2 past-molest sister of-you > I molested your sister
Wow! This can get dangerous for unaware L2 speakers :-) What do you do when the subject is supposed to be a system2 subject, but is not a pronoun? Do you use the pronoun anyway, or can you omit it anyhow? Also, what do the verb infinitives mean (meaning 1 or 2)? I'd like to hear more about the quirks of this double system. How do you assign the meanings in each case?
>=20 > first of all i would like to hear any comments on this system. Also i =
am
> wondering if anyone knows of any nat- or con-langs with this system or
one
> like it .
I've never seen anything like it, but I find it extremely interesting. I think it's strange, but possible and coherent -- more or less the way you look at the Theory of Relativity and say, "Well, I don't see how, but this is so neat it has to work." --Pablo Flores * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * And the Lord said unto Job, "There's no reason for it. It's just policy." Kelvin Throop