Re: elv ned'm concurrent pronoun systems

In a message dated 3/7/99 2:32:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fflores@ARNET.COM.AR writes:

Pablo sez:

> Wow! This can get dangerous for unaware L2 speakers :-)
>  What do you do when the subject is supposed to be a system2
>  subject, but is not a pronoun? Do you use the pronoun anyway,
You would left shift the subject and use a pronoun anyway, unless you were
being intentionally vague.
e.g.
Pablo dey kush ree fondu'ing dayel sesh
Pablo he-2 notice a-certain complication-of-it language my.
Pablo sees the problem with my language

>  or can you omit it anyhow? Also, what do the verb infinitives
>  mean (meaning 1 or 2)?
Infinitives are very rarely used.  (e.g. she wanted to go with you > "peng=
ka
loo renggey peng v l=F3 yay em" literally "she-past want it-acc [that] she=
 be
away with you").  I am toying with the idea of the noun form of verbs with
both systems to be differentiated by either the number 2 (=F3sh) after the=
 verb
in system 2 or repitition of the last syllable of a verb in system 2.

>I'd like to hear more about the quirks
>of this double system. How do you assign the meanings in
>each case?
Often I just look for words whose meanings would be very interesting if
occasionally confounded (like English "sun" and "son", I have always found=
 to
be interesting) but more commonly I randomly assign  one ned'm word two
meanings and see where that path could lead.  Sometimes the random approac=
h
yields interesting results, such as don(1-to die, 2-to release)  Other tim=
es I
think about a culture which speaks a language with this feature.  what sor=
t of
euphemistic verbs in system 2 would mischeivious schoolboys make up to con=
fuse
their teachers?  along these lines I have come up with words like dooj
(actually a noun meaning dooj but takes the system 2 pronouns to mean "to =
use
an ugly person for sex").
As for the quirks, I am sure more of them will arise as I continue to writ=
e
texts in ned'm.
Pacs precs
Joe Mondello