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Re: elv ned'm concurrent pronoun systems

From:Joe Mondello <rugpretzel@...>
Date:Sunday, March 7, 1999, 20:36
In a message dated 3/7/99 2:32:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fflores@ARNET.COM.AR writes:

Pablo sez:

> Wow! This can get dangerous for unaware L2 speakers :-) > What do you do when the subject is supposed to be a system2 > subject, but is not a pronoun? Do you use the pronoun anyway,
You would left shift the subject and use a pronoun anyway, unless you were being intentionally vague. e.g. Pablo dey kush ree fondu'ing dayel sesh Pablo he-2 notice a-certain complication-of-it language my. Pablo sees the problem with my language
> or can you omit it anyhow? Also, what do the verb infinitives > mean (meaning 1 or 2)?
Infinitives are very rarely used. (e.g. she wanted to go with you > "peng= ka loo renggey peng v l=F3 yay em" literally "she-past want it-acc [that] she= be away with you"). I am toying with the idea of the noun form of verbs with both systems to be differentiated by either the number 2 (=F3sh) after the= verb in system 2 or repitition of the last syllable of a verb in system 2.
>I'd like to hear more about the quirks >of this double system. How do you assign the meanings in >each case?
Often I just look for words whose meanings would be very interesting if occasionally confounded (like English "sun" and "son", I have always found= to be interesting) but more commonly I randomly assign one ned'm word two meanings and see where that path could lead. Sometimes the random approac= h yields interesting results, such as don(1-to die, 2-to release) Other tim= es I think about a culture which speaks a language with this feature. what sor= t of euphemistic verbs in system 2 would mischeivious schoolboys make up to con= fuse their teachers? along these lines I have come up with words like dooj (actually a noun meaning dooj but takes the system 2 pronouns to mean "to = use an ugly person for sex"). As for the quirks, I am sure more of them will arise as I continue to writ= e texts in ned'm. Pacs precs Joe Mondello