| From: | John Vertical <johnvertical@...> |
|---|---|
| Date: | Thursday, June 15, 2006, 18:10 |
Herman Miller wrote:>It really depends on which IPA site you use for reference. This one > >http://wso.williams.edu/~jdowse/ipa.html > >has a very far-back-sounding [V], which doesn't sound anything at all like >typical American /V/'s that I'm familiar with. Their [3] and [6] don't >sound quite right either for /V/, but closer. I'd say that the /V/ in my >speech is between [3] and [6], not very close to [V].This is the site I find the most accurate. That [V] *is* rather exagerratedly far back, but maybe some listizen who knows Vietnamese (or some other language where /V/ is more back than central) could inform us if it's still plausible?>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/course/chapter1/vowels.html > >That site used to be the one I referred to for vowels, and the [6] on that >site sounds closer to /V/ than the [3] and [V]. But the recording quality >of the sounds on this site isn't as good as the first one, so it can be >hard to hear exactly what sounds they are.Yep, in comparision it's generally close to the previous one, but with worse recording quality.>http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/ipachart_vowels_fbmp3.html > >That site has a [V] which to my ears doesn't sound as far back as it ought >to, and sounds more like English /V/ than the [V]'s on the other sites. >It's really hard to tell many of the vowels apart on this site.There's some here that sound just plain wrong - especially [&] and [o]... I wouldn't really trust this one. My opinion on the mess? Yes, it would be sensible to use <V> for UKEng and <6> for AmEng (or wherever applicable). It's not like the dialects are otherwise transcribed with exactly identical vowel phoneme symbols anyway. John Vertical