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Re: CHAT: Cockney Orkish as she is spoken.

From:Andrew Smith <hobbit@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 24, 1999, 4:41
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, John Cowan wrote:

> <pedantic>It's "bubhosh".</pedantic></whinge> >
My apologies for my insensitivities towards the Orkish members of this list! Leaving off the end of a curse seems strange to me, especially as any orc would want it to become true - so long as it happens to the other chap. The line in the script runs "Curse the Uruk-hai! Uglu(u)k u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob (buubhosh skai)!" I never realised that practising code-switching would prove to be so difficult. I'm only just getting to the stage where it rolls naturally. It seems to me that Black Speech/Orkish is intended to be language that Tolkien found unattractive: lots of gutterals and back vowels, uvular R (which I'm trying to master for the code switching), consonant clusters like -sg that could have come from Irish. This doesn't mean another conlanger would find it an unattractive language, or consider Cockney to be an Orkish accent. I hope to attempt it with a broad dialect that I hear used by punks, skinheads and bogans. It still sounds more like troll to me; "'Ere, 'oo are yoo?" as in the Hobbit.
> These are about transsubstantiation, but what do the next two > refer to? > > > whether whistling be a vice or a virtue; whether
The use of musical accompliment to singing in church; the Free Church of Scotland would be the only church I know of, at least in the Western world, where singing the psalms exculsively without accompliment is still an option. This controversy is virtually dead.
> > it be better to kiss a post or throw it on the fire..., with many more.
The use of images in worship. The complete quote is found on p 292 of the Penguin version. - andrew. Andrew Smith, Intheologus hobbit@earthlight.co.nz Difference in opinions hath cost many millions of lives: for instance, whether flesh be bread, or bread be flesh; whether the juice of a certain berry be blood or wine; whether whistling be a vice or a virtue; whether it be better to kiss a post or throw it on the fire..., with many more. - Jonathan Swift; Gulliver's Travels.