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Re: North Wind and South Wind

From:Sylvia Sotomayor <kelen@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 5:42
On Monday 15 July 2002 14:00, Dirk Elzinga wrote:
> Once the North Wind and the South Wind had an argument as to which > was the stronger. They put a wildcat in a tree, and had a contest > to see which could get it out. The South Wind blew and blew, but > the cat stayed in the tree. Then the North Wind blew slow and cold; > it froze the cat, causing it to drop out of the tree.
Inspired by this and Hanuman Zhang's version, I thought for a while how a Kéleñi would deal with this story, and this is what I came up with: la anúráni ñe anmóíñi kexien é ñe anmóíñi ñatta ancéhi ilnarien to la makéñ makíTje ná ñe makéñ; ilniTa pa anúráni é múr'élkie é múr'sírie il la jírela rá janíri ól ilaT ñamma rú xó tá á makéñ; é ñamma júri ná á múr'sírie ewaT ñi jírela jéspe sú janíri ól; aT ñamma júri ná á múr'élkie aT ñi jírela jakecílre tó túaT é ñi jatára rú janíri tá í ñi múr'élkie maTálón; OK, now for a loose-ish translation: The winds are like boys, you know, and like boys they make contests at times from who is stronger than whom. One time, of the winds, North-wind and South-wind (only) and (during this) a wildcat up in the branches and then who make (it) down from there. And South-wind make much wind but the cat remaining up in the branches. And North-wind make much wind and the cat became frozen therefore becoming fallen down from the branches and North-wind becoming the winner. Note: North-wind = múr'élkie < múra rúélkie "wind from the north" & rúélkie < -élk- cold,ice Interlinear by clause... la anúráni ñe anmóíñi kexien rel n-collective comparison n-collective clausal-modifier be winds same boys known-&-expected é ñe anmóíñi ñatta ancéhi ilnarien to conj comparison n-coll rel+3p-paucal-agent n-coll indef-pn source and same boys they-make trials/contest many-times from la makéñ makíTje ná ñe makéñ; rel interrog-pn n-anim-sg modifier comparison interrog-pn be who strong-person more same who ilniTa pa anúráni é múr'élkie é múr'sírie temporal rel n-coll(whole) conj n-anim-sg(part) conj n-anim-sg(part) one-time/once-only be-of winds and north-wind and south-wind il la jírela rá janíri ól temporal-conj rel n-sg locative n-pl modifier then be cat to branches up ilaT ñamma rú xó tá á makéñ; temporal-conj rel+3p-sg-agent loc determiner mod agent interrog-pn and-then s/he-make from there down who? é ñamma júri ná á múr'sírie conj rel+3p-sg-agent n-pl mod agent n-anim-sg and he-make blowings much the-south-wind ewaT ñi jírela jéspe sú janíri ól; conj rel+perfect n-sg n-sg loc n-pl mod but become cat staying-thing at branches up aT ñamma júri ná á múr'élkie conj rel+3p-sg-agent n-sg mod agent n-anim-sg and-then he-make blowings much the-north-wind aT ñi jírela jakecílre conj la+perfect n-sg n-sg and-then become cat frozen-thing tó-túaT é ñi jatára rú janíri tá conj conj la+perfect n-sg loc n-pl mod hence/therefore and become fallen-thing from branches down í ñi múr'élkie maTálón; conj la+perfect n-anim-sg n-anim-sg and-also become north-wind winner There are three (out of four) relationals used here: la, which denotes the existence of something. la noun noun means that the second noun is the equivalent of the first noun pa, the whole-part relational. pa noun noun means that the second noun is a part of the first noun ñi, the action relational. ñi+pn noun á anim-noun, where the pn agrees in number with the anim-noun, means that the anim-noun is the cause of the first noun. The first noun after any relational is the topic noun, and this can be dropped in subclauses, or referred to again as the topic of the sub-relational. For example, ñi jírela jakecílre tó-túaT ñi jatára rú janíri tá, the noun jatára refers back to the topic noun jírela. -Sylvia -- Sylvia Sotomayor sylvia1@ix.netcom.com The Kélen language can be found at: http://home.netcom.com/~sylvia1/Kelen/kelen.html This post may contain the following characters: á (a-acute); é (e-acute); í (i-acute); ó (o-acute); ú (u-acute); ñ (n-tilde);