Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   

Re: "He opened the door and he (same referent) left the room"

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Saturday, June 26, 2004, 20:32
Trebor Jung wrote:

> Here's a list of SR examples I made up (#a=simultaneous, #b=sequential). > > 1a. He sang and danced. > 1b. He sang and then danced.
Kash could say: yarinju yakorandam or colloq. yarinju (i) korandam('dance' has 0 subject marker); yarinju celuñi korandam
> > 2a. He1 sang and he2 danced. > 2b. He1 sang and then he2 danced.
Already a problem. a. yarinju i iya korandam, b. yarinju (i) çeluñi iya korandam. (iya switches subject, is somewhat emphatic, and eliminates the need for a subj.marker on its verb.) Or, iya rinju, ya liya korandam 'hé sang, that other danced' Probably in decent narrative prose, you'd _have to_ use a noun/name for he2
> > 3a. He1 said that he1 sang and he1 danced. > 3b. He1 said that he1 sang and then he1 danced.
These could just use a serial verb construction: yakota ~kotani yarinju yakorandam
> > 4a. He1 said that he1 sang and he2 danced.
kotani yarinju (i) iya korandam
> > 5a. He1 said that he2 sang and he1 danced.
Aargh. yakota re yarinju (definitely switches subject) but... In speech, yakota re yarinju, i _iya_(emph.) korandam...might work but is probably ambiguous since iya could refer either to speaker or to a he3.
> 6a. He1 said that he2 sang and he3 danced.
Yakota re yarinju i ya liya korandam (...and that other danced)
> Wow, things can get pretty complicated :P How would natlangs handle > sentences like 6b?
Indeedy. The problem with multi-reference sentences -- unless the language has a definite way to show SR -- is that _in print_ they will all look ambiguous. In speech you can pause, place emphases, etc. In my own writing, I'd probably use demonstratives (this one, that one, another/the other one etc.) or even personal names to make things clear to the reader. Or re-phrase!! As best I recall, Spanish would have to resort to él, ése~éste, aquél (or use personal names etc.) in something like no. 6