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Re: REQUEST: Engelang?

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Monday, May 30, 2005, 19:31
David J. Peterson wrote:
> Hi all, > > Can someone please give me an example of an engelang that > isn't an auxlang or a loglang?
Every once in a while I think about wanting to revive Jaghri. I've mentioned it a couple of times on the list, but I haven't given it the kind of attention as the more recent languages like Jarda, Tirelat, and Minza. Jaghri has a number of engineered features, like self-segregating morphology and an alphabet based on phonetic features (Tharkania, a precursor to the Lhoerr alphabet used by Jarda), but it isn't an auxlang, and isn't associated with any conculture. Kisuna might have fallen into this category when I first developed it, since the point of Kisuna was to create a language that had only six segmental phonemes, which involved more "engineering" type of work than anything else at first. But I decided that I liked the end product, and "adopted" it as an artlang. "The Fox and the Grapes" in Jaghri: Yidrataa ngurpanikia Panngajrii yidraghia tilkuriu timbii balrii ngurpai finhzhania vishracitkai darmii. Bavniriu wilcii ditrinishaa kagharbudhie, tethadinggithuriu gedhringue kagharbujananhie. Khushtie thadaridrou, jektukiu withpia, kakhthukiu "ngurpania marwiu, tetimbiu tarmukuyee nae." Features of Jaghri grammar: The main verb of a clause ends in -u (tilkuriu "saw", marwiu "sour"). The head of a noun phrase ends in -a (yidraghia "fox", ngurpania "grapes"). Noun modifiers end in -i (*balrii ngurpai* finhzhania "bunches *of black grapes*"). Adverbs end in -e (gedhringue "without success", tarmukuyee "as he had thought"). Words are built from roots which begin with a single consonant and end with a vowel; roots of more than one syllable must have clusters of two or more consonants (the typical root structure is CVCCV, although longer roots may be derived by adding CVC- prefixes or -CCV suffixes). The structure of longer roots isn't entirely unambiguous; you can't predict in advance whether a root like "kervabna" is derived from "ker-vabna" or "kerva-bna", but the derivation of these complex roots is really just a mnemonic aid, and the meaning of each root needs to be defined separately in any case. There isn't anything really "logical" about all that; the idea for self-segregating morphology came from reading about languages like Lojban, but Jaghri pretty much has traditional grammatical categories, cases of nouns, aspects of verbs, and other features that loglangs tend to avoid. But on the other hand, this doesn't look much like any natural language; the exclusive CV and CVCCV structure of the basic roots is too regular to be natural. Now if I can only find that sample of Tharkania writing that I used to have. I seem to have lost all copies of the Tharkania font, and I'll have to recreate it from scratch....