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Re: Changing CXS (Was: Re: Representing tones in X-Sampa; Khmer phonemes (for Tim May))

Date:Thursday, January 29, 2004, 20:50
Tristan McLeay scripsit:

> [r\`] already *is* the retroflex approximant.* In kosher X-SAMPA, [r`] is > for whatever reason a retroflex tap or flap (i.e. retroflex [4]). Your > proposal would involve (a) creating a new symbol [4`] for retroflex tap or > flap
I agree that [4`] is a perfectly intelligible substitute for [r`], and if anyone wants a retroflex trill, then a local distinction between [4`] and [r`] is reasonable (labelled as such, naturally). But CXS and X-SAMPA are intended to encode the IPA, and the IPA is not intended to encode every possible speech sound, only the ones which make a phonemic difference somewhere. If we use [r`] for the retroflex trill, what shall we use for the palatal or pharyngeal ones?
> * But note that I've seen Americans using both [r`] and [r\] as shorthands > for [r\`].
I write [r\] for my rhotic AmEng "r" not because it's shorter, but because I do not pronounce this letter retroflex. Perhaps I should use [@_^`], (non-syllabic rhotacized schwa) instead, but it's a lot less readable. -- Ambassador Trentino: I've said enough. I'm a man of few words. Rufus T. Firefly: I'm a man of one word: scram! --_Duck Soup_ John Cowan <jcowan@...>


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