Changing CXS (Was: Re: Representing tones in X-Sampa; Khmer phonemes (for Tim May))

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Andreas Johansson wrote:

> Quoting Tristan McLeay <zsau@...>:
>
> > Given all the problems with /a_2/-for-diphthong, I think it almost make
> > more sense to remove it as an option in CXS.
>
> I rather agree.
I don't like changing the standard once it's been made, even if it's only
used by just a handful of people... But I guess that's why I'll put it to
a vote and let you wash my hands of the evil unless someone else wants to
take over the maintainence of the chart :)

> ObTangent: On the subject on refining the CXS, what would people say about
> completifying the correspondence between the alveolar and dental series by
> reassigning [r`] to a retroflex trill and introducing [r\`] for the retroflex
> approximant? Besides making it easier to transcribe my 'lect, it does, IMHO,
> improve the mnemonic properties of the scheme. I've been using that, in the
> mistaken belief it was kosher X-SAMPA, anyway, without anyone complaining!
[r\`] already *is* the retroflex approximant.* In kosher X-SAMPA, [r`] is
for whatever reason a retroflex tap or flap (i.e. retroflex [4]). Your
proposal would involve (a) creating a new symbol [4`] for retroflex tap or
flap and (b) redefining [r`] as a symbol for which there is no IPA
equilavent. My above disclaimers apply. If people (looks at Andreas who
has suggested *so* many changes) want too many changes, I would suggest
creating a new ASCII-IPA that fixes up as many people's problems as
possible and wondering if it gets accepted...

* But note that I've seen Americans using both [r`] and [r\] as shorthands
  for [r\`].

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Tristan

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