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Changing CXS (Was: Re: Representing tones in X-Sampa; Khmer phonemes (for Tim May))

From:Tristan McLeay <zsau@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 15:20
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Andreas Johansson wrote:

> Quoting Tristan McLeay <zsau@...>: > > > Given all the problems with /a_2/-for-diphthong, I think it almost make > > more sense to remove it as an option in CXS. > > I rather agree.
I don't like changing the standard once it's been made, even if it's only used by just a handful of people... But I guess that's why I'll put it to a vote and let you wash my hands of the evil unless someone else wants to take over the maintainence of the chart :)
> ObTangent: On the subject on refining the CXS, what would people say about > completifying the correspondence between the alveolar and dental series by > reassigning [r`] to a retroflex trill and introducing [r\`] for the retroflex > approximant? Besides making it easier to transcribe my 'lect, it does, IMHO, > improve the mnemonic properties of the scheme. I've been using that, in the > mistaken belief it was kosher X-SAMPA, anyway, without anyone complaining!
[r\`] already *is* the retroflex approximant.* In kosher X-SAMPA, [r`] is for whatever reason a retroflex tap or flap (i.e. retroflex [4]). Your proposal would involve (a) creating a new symbol [4`] for retroflex tap or flap and (b) redefining [r`] as a symbol for which there is no IPA equilavent. My above disclaimers apply. If people (looks at Andreas who has suggested *so* many changes) want too many changes, I would suggest creating a new ASCII-IPA that fixes up as many people's problems as possible and wondering if it gets accepted... * But note that I've seen Americans using both [r`] and [r\] as shorthands for [r\`]. -- Tristan Mecht most toreck, ånd absolut mecht most toreck absolutelik. Gehalchte menn vaore nichæ ever uevel menn, jetsvao svao indfluedels evaore nemmfremm, ånd ne othoritet. --- Jochn Emerich Edvard Dalberg, Herr Acton /maiS mQ:tSaitS, Qn afsluS maiS mQ:tSaitS afslulaitS. jQ:f m&: wE Sa jev ivu m&:, ZEsi fo efluduS evuJE:f, Qn (mwipet_ho/nu:t_horit_heS)/


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Paul Bennett <paul-bennett@...>