Re: Latin Hebrew creole -- some samples

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:14:57 -0600 Patrick Dunn <pdunn@...>
writes:
> > Why is the Latin "you" informal, and the Hebrew "you" formal?
> The speakers of this language are mostly cabalists and other
> occultists,
> quite used to refering to God as "atah."  It would be usual and not
> particularly blasphemous (to them) to refer to friends, relatives,
> even
> beloved pets, as "ata," but sometimes, you really want to make it
> plain
> that you're refering to someone other than God.  Formal and informal
> is quite a simplification.
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Ah, interesting!


> > Masculine Hebrew pronouns (ata, hu) for singular and feminine
> > Hebrew
> > pronouns (aten, hen) for plural... for variety, or is there a
> > deeper meaning behind the choice? :-)
> Esoteric.  Masculinity belongs to the second sphere, hokmah; it
> perceives
> itself and the monad, and is therefore called "wise."  But
> femininity
> belongs to the third sphere, binah, which enwombs the masculine and
> looks
> outward to the rest of the tree (or universe), and thereby attains
> "understanding."  Or, to put it another way, Adam alone is "he," but
> Elohim made Havvah, to make them "they."  (I hope you're not
> insulted by
> my goyish cabala -- I've met people who are, and it makes me feel
> bad to insult them.  :) )
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Also interesting... and don't worry, i'm not insulted.  It's not like i'm
a qabbalist or anything... quite the opposite, in fact :-P .

> > > Verbs can be made passive by preceding the tense marker (if
> > > there is one) with the particle mi.
> > > hu mi da -- it is given
> > Where does this |mi| come from?
> I can't remember.  *picks up his grammars*  I seem to remember it
> came from Hebrew.  Was it a prefix?  Hmm.  Mystery to me.
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Hmm... |m-| things in Hebrew...
There's the preposition |min|, "from", which is usually shortened to
|mi-| with gemination of the first consonant of the word its attached to.
There's the question word |mi| "who".
Some verbal paradigms (all except pa`al/qal and nif`al) use a |m-| prefix
to form their present tenses:
|dibeir| ~ he spoke
|medabeir| ~ (he) speaks
|hivtihhu| ~ they promised
|mavtihhot| ~ (they.f) promise
|hitlabashti| ~ i got dressed
|mitlabeish| ~ (i am) getting dressed
There's also the question word |ma| "what".
|-m| as a suffix can be used for "them" (object) or "theirs" (posessive):
|hitzmihham| ~ he sprouted them
|beitam| ~ their house
An archaic form of |-am| found occasionally in Biblical poetry is
|-amo|/|-eimo|:
|kisamo yam| ~ the sea covered them
|tivla`eimo aretz| ~ the earth will swallow them

M is also a common noun prefix:
|mahhsheiv| ~ computer
|maqom| ~ place


-Stephen (Steg)
 "yeish hhoshekh miseviveinu;
  akh im hhoshekh qayam, vehahhoshekh hu shel haya`ar,
  az vaday hahhoshekh tov."
     ~ shiram shel ha-BaMbuti bizemaney tzarot

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