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Re: USAGE: Thorn vs Eth

From:tim talpas <tim@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 13:22
# Christophe Grandsire scripsit:
# > Well, the simple fact that there isn't any minimal pair between /T/ and /D/,
# A few: "thigh" vs. "thy" is the one usually given.  But certainly the
# functional load is very low, as shown by this model:

Though I think that "thy" isn't a very good example, as I don't hear
that word spoken ever. (maybe in some british dialects I don't know about?)
But I think even still, I'm under the impression that even Linguistically
impaired english speakers percieve a difference between /T/ and /D/, in
initial and final positions, even without functional minimal pairs.

# Initial "th" is /D/ in closed-class words only;

Or maybe words of Norse origin? Either works, I guess, though I don't know
the etymology of "though". (akin to icelandic /ToU/ ?)

# Intervocalic "th" is /D/ except in words of Greek origin;
# Final "th" is /D/ if a silent "e" follows, and in some pron. of "with";

I think the "with" example may be a result of the first point...

"with it" [wID It]...  but "with hat" [wIT h&t]

# All other "th" is /T/.
# (Anglophones, I'd be interested to hear of exceptions.)

without [wITaUt]



Tristan McLeay <kesuari@...>
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