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Re: L1 learning question

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Saturday, September 26, 1998, 13:52
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Nik Taylor wrote:

>When children learn a language like Spanish, which has multiple verb >paradigms, do they ever confuse the paradigms? For example, do young >children sometimes produce forms like *habli', much as English-speaking >children sometimes say things like *speaked? I realize that's not =
quite
>the same, since that's a matter of irregular vs. regular (and the >contrast between the correct hable' and the incorrect habli' is >predictable based on verb class), but it's a related issue. Also, if >they do, are -er and -ir endings more often confused than those and =
-ar,
>since the -er and -ir have fewer differences, so are children more >likely to produce a form *podimos than *hablimos?
>From my personal experience, children almost never confuse person or =
number, and never use the endings for -ar in -er, -ir verbs (or = viceversa). The endings tend to be strongly attached to the verb, and = infinitives are often used. The future tense is rarely used, and is = modelled by the equivalent of a "going to" construction: "Hablare'" -> "Voy a hablar" "Vendra'n" -> "Van a venir" so the child is hearing infinitives all the time. The main source of confusion, of course, is irregularity: children = always tend to say (from "caber") *"cabo" instead of the correct form = "quepo", for example. But surprisingly, I've never heard a child using = regularized incorrect forms of the predictably irregular verbs like = "morir" and "son~ar": "morir" -> "yo muero, nosotros morimos" "son~ar" -> "yo suen~o, nosotros son~amos" IIRC these verbs had long /o:/ in Latin, which was diphthongized in = Spanish as /we/ when stressed, and shortened to /o/ otherwise. It might = be that most present tense forms take the irregular inflection, so the = child is exposed to them all the time. I've seen some cases of confusion about the long /e:/ Latin verbs = (similarly producing /je/ and /e/ in Spanish): "querer" -> "yo quiero, nosotros queremos" sometimes *"yo quero" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE93D.97CB4580 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiYOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFIAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABDb25zdHJ1Y3RlZCBMYW5ndWFnZXMgTGlzdABTTVRQAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5C Uk9XTi5FRFUAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAGgAAAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05W TS5CUk9XTi5FRFUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ0NvbnN0cnVjdGVkIExh bmd1YWdlcyBMaXN0JwAAAAACAQswAQAAAB8AAABTTVRQOkNPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5CUk9XTi5F RFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADkzkBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9z b2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEAGQAAAFJFOiBMMSBsZWFybmluZyBxdWVzdGlvbgB2CAEFgAMA DgAAAM4HCQAaAAoANAA0AAYAcAEBIIADAA4AAADOBwkAGgAKACcAEAAGAD8BAQmAAQAhAAAAOTA4 RjExNTUyOTU1RDIxMTlDMjk0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAAqQYBA5AGAGQHAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYA AAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAAOSw9FTpvQEeAHAAAQAAABkAAABSRTogTDEgbGVhcm5p bmcgcXVlc3Rpb24AAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAb3pVPSpVRGPo1UpEdKcKURFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEA AAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABsAAABmZmxvcmVzQHRhdS53YW1hbmkuYXBjLm9yZwAAAwAG EHQNeMADAAcQNQYAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAE5JS1RBWUxPUldST1RFOldIRU5DSElMRFJFTkxFQVJO QUxBTkdVQUdFTElLRVNQQU5JU0gsV0hJQ0hIQVNNVUxUSVBMRVZFUkJQQVJBRElHTVMsRE9USEVZ RVZFUkNPTkZVU0UAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADdBQAA2QUAAPYKAABMWkZ1+Rirvv8ACgEPAhUCpAPkBesC gwBQEwNUAgBjaArAc2V0bjIGAAbDAoMyBEYCAHBwcnExIAhVB7ICgH1/CoAIzwnZAoAKgQ2xC2Bu IGcxMDM0CvRsacgxNDQC0WktGDMM0McYMwtVEvFzMTgKoANgBnQFkAVATmlrIFSMYXkVMRlsICB3 GmK+OhlvGnQKhQqPG8g+HN9pGnRXaAnwIBGwAxBksxWgA6BsZQrAA6BhIrDhF0F1YWdlIrAa4COw xlMe4AMAc2gsHGAiQA0RsCARwAQgbXVsdNMFICLAIHYEkGIetx+fByCvGqEe4WFkaWdtQnMkkGRv IHQh8HmcIGUl4SIgAiBmdRHwKynSKPg/HFBGBbFleOxhbSWhKZN5CGAXUCYv9yc/GhoiN3MDcBIA B3MaUdhkdWMjsAIQcilwI8TmKhHAAmBpJySQJVAk4R0lIUUXUBgQJHAtc3B9ItBrC4AtTy5fL28w fXN/GyAp0TRxMiY0IwmAK9FJJiAVoAdAaXoq4mF0CicEIG4acCBxdWn/GoA0rzW/GhorAjiwB4Ak kP0AkG4xsTsFIyAAwAJAFEHgb2YgaXIVoCNwC2CxBcB2cy46cUFUKABwfmQp0jwPPR82ywIhKSBz 9QVAYhIAdwnhKvMFoRWg8xqhMqJlJyMQQpRBAD+g90c5MuBBAHNC/0QPKEsVofck0AGRJbFiJSAJ gEDQA6AvJeIiIAtgBBApJJBidf8FQDvQQCMVoAtgGoBCoAQB4wpQQdAgQWwwwCSQBpD/Sc9K3z4t KhApsCSQCsAjsPYtFEFCgi1BECogQpA5E/8EYFRxQOAagCIRKpRCogOR3SngbyrRVOMKwCxQ/1IP /xoaP4ZUjBHAJeAx0AfQFEH/KUAN0ASQCfAxsCmBMMBUU78iN1XiWF9ZbxoaI9JsONHfKcAxZiMg MeIygHAEcAdw71eQVxQylGQRP19fHBMetf5GA2ElQCoQNDAR4AIgB0D/LDFnkQiQP6EkkCI3B0Bk ET0FQG4qO2eUQNAFwG51/wbQBJBUQUKRaeQqxlVmMeF/WAJIgVSSJJBVIiXiBCAoXQWxdiTQKjI4 sClB0FT/bNlWUUKhKcBGYDCwRgACIP8zwCoQQIEA0CHwcRMrAiXi/2vEC4AYgAMAJYAl4EAxVgf3 VtJwBCqwdAhwKuEJ8CrR/wQAOnBUYWJxVtJzZVXCDbB2bCLAQqBiONJs4Tuxdh8HQAnwBUBA4SMg Imdv+zRxYpEiKnJxkTGgJYACILI6HkwiSDKxVGEnepDkLT558FZvcgFHkwrAmiJ79lZVYSkgJ258 9f8DkSMgJeADAH4HHrVeEUbj/yJCdoIh8ArAejJzy3hAKvP9MQIuHkxwIgDAbgEwwAhw/zGxQOEq hHtBJJCGEwhwEfBPULEEIEEXO9B5Omjad7cbIHDIOLIoA1J58GMBoPkEkCIpMoCK0nqBC4BGMF8i 0E2hQPBG6mNzIjuwZb1j0CIkkG2CLEVB0EJO0X1QEHIToAQANHFicCSQSf4nXLFp5IIiQqAjIIGU hoH/ekGH9jrQc6KM2gQgjGVMqO8qEEEZbtMj0yJV4YARSAP6ImfBfn3xe36WZX0SLQD/JUEEkFCh O3AwwHGhVcNkAv9+F5clmPZQEZdAmbqXI5q54R61SUlSQynSKtFuxA8RwEKgFTB6QS9vOi/9bfJM OyALgCSWiWAEIClAfHBoV3EXUJKFJBYzYi//RpCgsCSwMJJGAAeQd0ckcH8VQQnwcoSggKCwGnAh 8HLrA/FQMUkFQG0pUKJAcVL/OwJV0UYxTKER8HmBdjQx5P8BkCPxSFNBJ3PBIsB7I13z/4FbaCFX kXKWY6CDb55JkDL/EfAwlSIgTXGTs4ZHIxAG4P9O0SsCoDQcsKCwoQNutgCQn6dAQXFicTFkejIv aqPx70KCsmCgsyQlKXt+jbEVoP+Y2DuxmZy3Q5qyMLmLYLgDF5mRgD0UwQC8UAAAAAMAEBAAAAAA AwAREAAAAABAAAcwAPdEDlPpvQFAAAgwAPdEDlPpvQEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAADV8 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE93D.97CB4580--