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Re: Diphthongs (was Re: 3 q's - X-Sampa)

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
Date:Friday, February 13, 2004, 0:05
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 04:03  PM, Roger Mills wrote:

> M. Astrand wrote: > > B.P.Jonsson wrote: >>> I *think* the difference is that both halves of a >>> Finnish diphthong are about equally long, whereas >>> in Italian the unstressed part of the diphthong is >>> much shorter. >> >> Do you think this has something to do with the unstressed part being >> in > Italian >> i or u, ie. something close to j and w, whereas in Finnish it doesn't >> need >> to be a high vowel? I'm not sure what I'm getting at, but it seems >> like it >> could mean something. >> Or does Italian have diphthongs with unstressed non-high vowels? > > No, but in addition to falling diphthongs (aj, aw) it has a few rising > ones-- ja, je, jo, ju -- in words like chiaro, viene, piombo, chiuso. > (Different historical origin, of course) >> >> On second thought, perhaps the same does *not* apply to Mamqian. It >> seems >> everything I considered to be a diphthong last time I looked into >> them, > has >> an /i/, /u/ or /y/ either at the beginning or at the end. I've simply > *assumed* >> that all diphthongs are stressed on the first part,...... > Changing the stress to whichever part is not high >> would change the sound of the language, but not to worse... >> > Some languages have falling (and I think rising)diphthongs with ï > (barred-i > [1]) and/or schwa-- Thai and Vietnamese spring to mind.
ObNumic: Colorado River Numic has falling diphthongs with [1]. From Chemehuevi (this is the "official" orthography; <ü> is [1]): aüga 'new, young' ha'aü 'oh!' kwaü 'in (time); ago; from now' maü 'make' paüpi 'blood' Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga "I believe that phonology is superior to music. It is more variable and its pecuniary possibilities are far greater." - Erik Satie