Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:46:42 -0300 Pablo Flores
<fflores@...> writes:
>Herman Miller wrote:
>>On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:59:51 -0300, Pablo Flores
>><fflores@...> wrote:
>>
>>>For my part, this is my basic idea:
>>>
>>>* Phonology: stops /p/ /t/ /tj/ /k/ /q/ and voiced; frics /f/ /s/
>/S/ /x/ and
>>>voiced; nasals /m/ /n/ /nj/ /N/; others /l/ /lj/ /r/ /w/ /j/. Vowels
>/i/ /e/
>>>/a/ /o/ /u/, perhaps also oe-ligature and /y/, and also unrounded
>back vowels
>>>(I love unrounded /u/'s :)
I can't stand unrounded /u/'s, probably because i can't pronounce them :)
, and i'd much rather participate in creating a language that i can
speak, too.

>>That's a lot of consonants. How about allowing consonant+/j/ clusters
>in
>>place of the /tj/ /dj/ /S/ /Z/ /nj/ /lj/?
>
>See my post replying to Carlos. The palatalized series can be a
>variant
>of the consonant + /j/ cluster, no problem. The main point is /S/ and
>/Z/.
>Do you want them to be a variant of /sj/, /zj/? I'd be OK with it if
>the
>majority says so. Opinions?
I can't palatize either (no experience with it), so i agree
whole-heartedly to all equivalents, including /sj/ = /S/ and /zj/ = /Z/.

>>It might also be interesting to give some of the vowels non-cardinal
>values
>>(for instance, a more centralized sound for /o/).
>
>OK. As long it keeps distinct, those could be variants.
>
>>>* Syllable structure: CV*, where * = a nasal (assimilated to next
>place of
>>>articulation), or /l/, or /r/, or a fricative more or less
>appropriate to
>>>the next place of articulation, or another vowel.
What does "assimilated to next place of articulation" mean, exactly?  The
nasal shifts depending on the next consonant that follows it?

>>If C+/j/ clusters are allowed, perhaps other initial clusters might
>be
>>permitted (e.g., C+/r/, C+/w/).
>
>OK, C + /r/ and C + semivowels are allowed. This is what Carlos said,
>too,
>and I agree.
>
>>>* Grammar: agglutinating to inflecting, not polysynthetic. Heavily
>inflected
>>>verbs, but not for tense or person but maybe voice and some aspects.
>A classic
>>>case system (nominative, accusative, dative, ablative, allative) and
>postpositions.
>>>Some "attitude particles" to colour the sentences.
>>
>>What about genitive?
>
>I forgot about genitive! Right, genitive too. How are we going to
>render those
>cases? I think noun stems should end in a consonant, so that all cases
>can be
>vowel-initial inflections. This is not very original, tho. What do you
>think?
>Also, how about word order? SVO, OVS, VOS, what? Head-final or
>head-first?
I prefer a free word order, made possible by the cases.

>I think everyone should take some piece of the language and work out a
>sketch.
>We have
>
>1 noun inflection
>2 verb inflection
>3 adjectives (like nouns? like verbs? comparatives?)
>4 word order
>5 stress, tone, vowel length (?)
>
>
>--Pablo Flores
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