Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

Herman Miller wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:59:51 -0300, Pablo Flores
><fflores@...> wrote:
>
>>For my part, this is my basic idea:
>>
>>* Phonology: stops /p/ /t/ /tj/ /k/ /q/ and voiced; frics /f/ /s/ /S/ /x/ and
>>voiced; nasals /m/ /n/ /nj/ /N/; others /l/ /lj/ /r/ /w/ /j/. Vowels /i/ /e/
>>/a/ /o/ /u/, perhaps also oe-ligature and /y/, and also unrounded back vowels
>>(I love unrounded /u/'s :)
>
>That's a lot of consonants. How about allowing consonant+/j/ clusters in
>place of the /tj/ /dj/ /S/ /Z/ /nj/ /lj/?
See my post replying to Carlos. The palatalized series can be a variant
of the consonant + /j/ cluster, no problem. The main point is /S/ and /Z/.
Do you want them to be a variant of /sj/, /zj/? I'd be OK with it if the
majority says so. Opinions?

>It might also be interesting to give some of the vowels non-cardinal values
>(for instance, a more centralized sound for /o/).
OK. As long it keeps distinct, those could be variants.

>>* Syllable structure: CV*, where * = a nasal (assimilated to next place of
>>articulation), or /l/, or /r/, or a fricative more or less appropriate to
>>the next place of articulation, or another vowel.
>
>If C+/j/ clusters are allowed, perhaps other initial clusters might be
>permitted (e.g., C+/r/, C+/w/).
OK, C + /r/ and C + semivowels are allowed. This is what Carlos said, too,
and I agree.

>>* Grammar: agglutinating to inflecting, not polysynthetic. Heavily inflected
>>verbs, but not for tense or person but maybe voice and some aspects. A classic
>>case system (nominative, accusative, dative, ablative, allative) and postpositions.
>>Some "attitude particles" to colour the sentences.
>
>What about genitive?
I forgot about genitive! Right, genitive too. How are we going to render those
cases? I think noun stems should end in a consonant, so that all cases can be
vowel-initial inflections. This is not very original, tho. What do you think?

Also, how about word order? SVO, OVS, VOS, what? Head-final or head-first?
I think everyone should take some piece of the language and work out a sketch.
We have

1 noun inflection
2 verb inflection
3 adjectives (like nouns? like verbs? comparatives?)
4 word order
5 stress, tone, vowel length (?)


--Pablo Flores

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