Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

Carlos Thompson wrote:

>a for [a] [A] or [&]
>e for [e] or [E]
>i for [i] or [I]
>o for [o] or [O]
>u for [u] or [U]
>y for [y] or [@]
>we could give some "correct" pronunciation, and I like positional
>pronunciation like [i] when stressed and [I] when unstressed, but actual
>pronunciation should be free.
>
>p, b, t, d, k, g, f, v, s, m, n, l, w  with their usual IPA sound.  p, t and
>k could be aspirated or unaspirated as dialectical feature, b, d, and g
>would never be fricatives.  The letter "r" is any flap, trill, rhotic,
>retroflex you want.
I'm OK with that.

>c, h, j, q, x, z are left, and if we accept Pablo's phonology, /tj/ and
>/dj/,  /q/ and voiced, /S/ and /Z/, /z/, /x/ and /G/, /nj/, /N/, /lj/, /w/
>and /j/...
>But the /j/ clusters, sugested by Herman, would allow us to approximate some
>of them:
>/S/ as /s/+/j/, /Z/ as /z/+/j/, /tj/ and /dj/ as /t/ or /d/ + /j/, /nj/ and
>/lj/ by /n/ or /l/ + /j/.  With my free phonology those cluster could be
>palatized versions of the sounds or consonant-semivowel clusters, which best
>fits your desired phonology.
Fine. Except for <sj> for /S/ (that's Swedish, I guess ;). We could do with
<sh> for /S/, which is familiar for most people and leaves us <sj> to represent
/s/ + /j/. The rest, we could think of the consonant-semivowel cluster vs.
palatalized version as variants -- they're not so different anyway.

>I personally love <j> for /j/ but as I've seen is not very usual among
>conlangers... is not common in English, French or Spanish but common in most
>East and Central European languages.  So, if we stick to five vouels, y is
>free as consonant, but if we want a /y/ sound and want no u umlaud, lets
>take <y> for /y/ and <j> for /j/.  My proposal for the remainding
>orthography-phonetics:
>z for [z]
>sj for /sj/ or /S/
>zj for /zj/ or /Z/
>tj for /tj/ or a voiceless palatal stop
>dj for /dj/ or a voiced palatal stop
>nj for /nj/ (/n/+/j/ or palatal nasal)
>lj for /lj/ (/l/+/j/ or palatal liquid or palatized /l/)
I'm fine with six vowels (i. e. leaving <y> for /y/ and <j> for /j/ as you
proposed).

>
>The easy part done.  we have c, h, q and x for /x/, /G/, /q/ and a voiced
>uvular stop.  Let's asign the most obvious: h for /x/ (actually [x] or [h]),
>and then
>c for voiceless uvular stop
>x for voiced uvular stop
>q for voiced velar or uvular fricative.
>
>I don't like this finnal solution very much...  I guess those are the
>trickiest letters Latin/English alphabet has.  Maybe redone:
>c for voiced velar or uvual fricative /G/
>q for voiceless uvual stop /q/
>x for voiced uvular stop
Please don't say "final solution" >:(

My solution would be
<x> or <kh> for /x/ (unvoiced velar fric)
<gh> for /G/ (voiced velar fric)
<q> for /q/ (unvoiced uvular stop)
<qg> or <c> for voiced uvular stop

>
>affricate clusters:
>pf, ts, tsj, dz, dzj...
>
>by the way, I would like better tj and dj for adfricates /tS/ and /dZ/ as
>alternative sound.
>
We'll see.

>
>Then, other clusters: other cases with /j/ and with /r/ and /w/.  (clusters
>with /r/ only allowed with occlusives)
>
OK, /r/ for clusters: pr, tr, kr, qr, br, dr, gr, cr would be allowed.

>Syllabe final consonants: l, m, n, s, /q/ and t.
>-n could represent nazalization of previuos vouel (makes Mathias happy?),
>but cleary marking our six vowels.
I'm OK with nasalization as a variant for -n, but in that case there
should be nasalization for -m too, right? And we should allow all stops
to be syllable-final, provided the articulation is easy. They should be
voiced or unvoiced according to the next consonant. Are we going to allow
double consonants (-pp-, -ss-, etc.)?

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