Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

Den 13. aug. 2008 kl. 16.10 skreiv John Vertical:
>
> I find [s\] easier to pronounce than [S],
Is s\ a retroflex s? Like SAMPA s`?
If so, I guess that's the sound Norwegians are writing _sj_ or _rs_
and many other ways. Then we don't have the S.
But what's the difference between them exactly?

> I've seen even [C] called a sibilant, but I can't really consider
> it such; it's basically [x_+] and [x] sure isn't sibilant in any
> sense. If there is a velar sibilant it's probably one of the
> realizations of the Swedish /x\/. (One of my first sketchlangs had
> this sound in voiced, voiceless and affricate forms...)
>
> And while I'm on the topic, are there postalveolar *non*-sibilants?
> An alveolar [T_-] seems to be possible, but not anything further
> back until we get to dorsal consonants. That's odd.
I guess _+ means forward and _- means back, or what?
But if so, isn't T_- = s?

LEF

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