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Re: Fourth Persons

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Thursday, September 4, 2008, 9:53
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...> wrote:
> Logophoric Pronouns are so named because in certain African languages when > you are reporting speech, you have two extra third-person pronouns, one for > the person whose speech you are reporting ("logophoric first person"), and one > for the person who was originally addressed ("logophoric second person").
Okiakiar has the extra-third-person variety of pronouns, though I never considered them to be "fourth person". They're just a means of getting some distinction between multiple 3p antecedents when the pronouns are genderless. I translate them in root lists as "he/she/it 1" (/kal/), "he/she/it 2" (/k@ral/), and "he/she/it 3" (/k@zal/). (While there's clearly a pattern there, it's not productive; there aren't any pronouns past #3.) But the logophoric pronoun idea is new to me. I like it. (Yoink!) -- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>


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