Re: CHAT: Sakatda Ka Kadomo (was: CHAT: Anglicisms)

Barry Garcia wrote:

>kljensen@image.dk writes:
>>What's the conculture like? I'm imagining a tiny group of isolated
>>negritos in Luzon's Sierra Madre just east of Manila (therefore
>>the numerous Tagalog loanwords).
>
>I'm still trying to come up with one. But i will consider maybe
>making the people negritos. Then again, maybe they could be a group
>of Tagalogs who got isolated in the sierra Madre, and their
>language changed and diverged. Possibly they married into a tribe
>that was using a language isolate (Which would explain the non-
>Tagalog words I put into the conlang). Anyway i still have all of
>summer to come up with something. I think this is also an
>opportunity to show off my drawing skills =).
Old documents from colonial times notes that the people in and
around Laguna had two names for themselves depending on where they
lived and the two dialectal divisions at the time. The "Taga Ilog"
were the tagalog speakers living in the lowland regions ("taga ilog"
meaning "from the river"). The other tagalog group living in the
Sierra Madres and called themselves "Taga bondok" ("from the
mountains"). The Taga-bondoks were a bit different culturally from
the Taga-ilogs even though they spoke a closely related dialect (if
not the same language). For instance, the Taga-bondoks practiced
pellet insertion in their penis (a practice that is related to the
Visayans) which the Taga-ilogs did not. Nowadays, all the people in
the region are called "Tagalog", a contraction of "Taga ilog".

From this, you could have a scenario where the speakers of Sakatda
Ka Kadomo are perhaps remnants of taga-bondoks. Or maybe a negrito
tribe that had an "ahibay" (patron) relationship with the
Taga-bondoks in ancient times. Such relationships are normal among
negrito tribes. There is even a theory that states that the negritos
speak 'creolized Austronesian' because of such beneficial
relationships and since all the negrito tribes today basically speak
an Austronesian language with a few non-Austronesian terms.

Just a thought...

-kristian- 8)