Clinton Moreland-Stringham wrote:
> > 1. Agent (AGT): entity which performs an activity or brings about
> > a change of state (e.g. the crowg-AGT applauded.)
>
> What about "the old man hit the young boy"? What case would "man" be
> in?
>
Yes. That's the CRUX question. And then wonder : 'isn't the young boy part of the
old man since the old man couldn't hit but someone(thing) ?' And then you
wonder WHAT is predicate, if not all young men hit by any old man :-)
> > 2. Patient (PAT): entity which- is viewed as existing in a state
> > or undergoing change; viewed a slocated or moving; viewed as affected or
> > effected by an entity (e.g. the sky-PAT is blue, the cat-PAT is in the
> > house, or the bird ate the worm-PAT)
>
> Again, what would "the bird" be in? Would it be agentive?
>
> > 3. Experiencer (EXP) entity which experiences as emotion or
> > perception OR an Agent (fm above) which acts unitnentionally (e.g.
> > They-EXP love music or He-EXP fell (on accident)).
>
> Okay, so what is "he fell" (deliberately)? It looks to me like it's
> some sort of active system (i.e., neither ergative or accusative).
>
Read David's post re. agent/patient system. Another logic.
Mathias
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