Re: My Apologies about Mysterious sounds (was: Hebrew?)
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Sunday, October 3, 2004, 19:23|
On Saturday, October 2, 2004, at 08:27 , Rodlox wrote:
>>>> I thought I saw them used within transliterations of Greek
>> No - not in _transliterations_. Where you may have seen them is in
>> relatively modern transcriptions of _Latin_ based forms of Greek names.
> I didn't know that...hence my asking based upon an error.
's OK - the only way to find out is to ask. I'm sorry if some of my
responses seemed harsh; I was trying to work out why you asked the
question the way you did. We got there in end, I think :)
>> But to return to your reply above. I am not clear how you understand "a
>> Greek twist"
> a "flavour" if you will.
I'll ponder on that and mail you some suggestions.
>> English /i'ni&s/), who was supposed to be a survivor from Troy
> ...probably part of why I thought it was Greek.
But the nasty Greeks sacked Troy and caused people like Aeneas to flee.
The Latin (and English) name, however, is based on the Greek _Aineias_.
Whether that's a Greek invention or was actually based on a real Trojan
name, I don't suppose we'll ever know.
Aeneas himself, of course, doesn't like the Greeks; they destroyed his
native city and his wife was killed during its destruction, tho he escaped
with his father, whom he carried on his back, and his son Iulus. It's from
Iulus that the 'Julian Clan', whose most famous member was _Gaius Iulius
Caesar_ and into which Augustus had been adopted, claimed descent. And as
Aeneas was supposed to be the son of Venus (his dad was an ordinary human)
, daughter of Jupiter*, the imperial family of Roman was claiming divine
descent (not uncommon among kings & emperors!)
*In case any list member wants to tell me that Venus was not the son of
Jupiter, but was conceived when Uranus' genitals were cast into the sea
after his son Saturn (Kronos) had castrated him - yes, I do know that
version! But in the Aeneid, Vergil follows the alternative myth that Venus
was the daughter of Jupiter and the goddess/titaness, Dione.
Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight,
which is not so much a twilight of the gods
as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]