Re: OT Van Gogh (was: Yogh in the news)

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:33:25 +0100, =?UTF-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9_Uittenbogaard?=
<ruittenb@...> wrote:

>
>And tongue-breaking for the two African men I know (one from Burundi,
>one from Congo) who are learning Dutch ATM. :-/ I'm trying to tell
>them to use [r] instead of [R\], but I can't pronounce [r].
>>> Dutch has a /v/ vs. /v_0/ vs. /f/ distinction (at least in many
>> dialects.  In others, mostly Southern, it's /w/ vs. /v/ vs. /f/,
>
>I don't know of any [v] realisations of |w|. I'd say:
>
>|w| - [w] or [v\]
>|v| - [v] or [v_0]
>|f| - [f]
>
>> http://rudhar.com/fonetics/fvw.htm
That's strange, I have never heared of anyone distinguishing between V and F
in Dutch. It all sounds like /f/ to me, or maybe voiced a bit between two
vowels. Same thing for S vs. Z.

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