Re: Grie Ka #2 : ( the weirdest? aspects of Ka )

From: "Hiroshi Kato" <hkato@...>
> 1. Principle of separation
>
> What do I mean by that?
> It means :
>    A noun cannot be attached to two or more adjective phrases in different
> tense.
> But...let me give you an example.
>
> Hiro, who once hated manga, now reads it almost everyday!
>
> is translated in Ka like:
>
> Hiro igsa zxofeilaintem jons wasyef, ettimaintemi kjeanpenilecu!
>
> [Words]
> Hiro                   the name of the person ( happened to be the same as
> mine!)
> igsa                    the future body of
> zxofeilainte(m)   the person who hates
> jons                    (article)
> jons wasyef        manga in general
> ettimaintemi       the person who reads it
> kjeanpenilecu     almost everyday
>
> [Explanation]
> Because of the princlple of separation, a word like 'igsa' is always required
to
> adjust the timing. If 'igsa' is omitted,  the timings of hates and reading are
> interpreted as the same.
Wow!  I would never have come up with a feature like that myself.  {igsa}
connects {zxofeilantem jons wasyef} and {ettimaintemi kjeanpenilecu}, with no
other copula, and relates them temporally, the latter being marked as after the
former!

> [Notes]
>  i) In most of the case, tense is not explicitly expressed in Ka. And I guess
> that's why POS is required in Ka.
>     Should you want to express tense, just use an article for this purpose:
>         sei        past article
>         sai        present article
>         ja          future article
>     (ex.)    Ehau yeu maljobicein sei sye fe.
>      Ehau               certainly
>      yeu                  very
>      maljobicein       unethical
>      sei sye             previous you
>      fe                    I'm afraid
>  ii) A word like 'igsa' is called a 'filter.'
So the tense is unmarked... and apparently {igsa X Y} is translated as {igsa
PAST, PRESENT}--once hated, reads now... To a Grie Ka speaker, is it {igsa PAST,
PRESENT} or just {igsa BEFORE, AFTER} ?

What I mean to say is, if one wants to mark tense with one of these participles,
is it required to only use it to make {igsa X, Y} mean {igsa PRESENT, FUTURE},
or is one also necessary to make {igsa X, Y} mean {igsa PAST, PRESENT}?  [Or is
the introduction of tense merely a requirement of translation into English?]


    *Muke!

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