Re: CHAT: History of «ir»

I thought something like this:

ambulare > amblare > amlare (exotic) > anlare (I've never seen this before)
> andar(e).
Ah, and I just checked my portuguese dictionary... and he guesses more or
less the same, quoting romanian "îmnare" as cognate.

That situation of stop + liquid reminds me of:

memorare > memrare > nembrare > lembrar, in portuguese, or

n-mrtós > ambrotós, in ancient greek.

Edgard.

On 7/3/07, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> As for andar, once either the m became n or the b became d, the other
> was likely to follow suit via assimilation.  Not that that explains
> the original change...
>
> On 7/3/07, Edgard Bikelis <bikelis@...> wrote:
> > Hi! Quoting just my memory... and I just know portuguese, but it's close
> > enough.
> >
> > 'ir'
> >
> > present: vou < vado, -ere
> > imperfect: ia < eo, -ire
> > past perfect: fui < sum, esse !
> >
> > 'andar' < ambulo, -are. How that -d- appeared is beyond me!
> >
> > Edgard.
> >
> > On 7/3/07, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > This should probably be tagged differently, but I don't know with
> > > what.  The question concerns the historical development of a natlang.
> > > Specifically Spanish.  How did the verb «ir» develop?  The usual Latin
> > > root for "go" seems to have become «andar», while the everyday word
> > > comes elsewhence and arrives in an odd set of forms.   Was there a
> > > merger, like with English "go" and "wend"?  Did the present tense come
> > > from some verb which, had its infinitive survived, would now be
> > > *«var»?
> > >
> > > This question occurred to me while I was trying to
> > > remember/reconstruct the polite imperative for «dar», since the two
> > > verbs have several parallel forms.  (Though *«daya» is not one of
> > > them).  The other thing that occurred to me is that
> > > _The_Dar_Imperative_ would be a good name for a science fiction
> > > thriller.  And/or a rock band.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
> > >
> >
>
>
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> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
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