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Re: Language and "mysticism," whatever that is.

From:Cian Ross <cian@...>
Date:Saturday, April 28, 2001, 21:15
On 04/28/2001 at 10:33 AM Sally Caves gegrafet:

>Vyko, Conlangers! I've taken a long long holiday (which >essentially amounts to doing my dayjob at the university). >I hope you haven't forgotten Teonaht! > >I'm speaking, again, at a conference in a few days, and I >wanted to ask you a couple of questions--sort of along the >lines of my old "Lunatic Survey." > >1) How many of you old- and new-comers started inventing a language >in isolation from the list?
I started way before I'd ever even heard of the notion of an electronic mailing list. :)
> 1a) If so, how old were you? > 1b) Was it a project with friends or a solitary project?
14 (IIRC)...alone.
> 1b) Did your invented language have some kind of private purpose? > esoteric? erotic? religious or mystical?
My first conlangs were made in support of having consistent naming conventions in an RPG world, having been inspired by similar consistency in _The Lord of the Rings._
> Since the topic of my panel is "the language of mysticism," > I'm especially interested in this last. > >2) How many of you newcomers heard of the list first and thought-- >Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging!
N/A
>3) How many of you, when you were starting out on this on your own, >did this kind of thing: you have a list of words you want to invent >new ones for, so you drew di-and polysyllabic words out of the air.
I still do that sometimes. :) [A yet-unwebbed conlang, Taroan, has at least one in its current (small) lexicon.]
>This is >what I did when I was new at this and a teenager. Many of these still >remain vocabulary words in Teonaht, but I've since then learned to build >up through word roots.
>4) If so, how important was it that the new word sound "exotic," >"beautiful," or >"suggestive" in some personal way of the word you wanted it to stand >for?
Very important for beautiful and suggestive; less so (but not by too much) for exotic.
>5) How many of you invented words to express concepts that could not be >expressed in your native language?
Taroan has at least one word in its lexicon that covers a wide "field" of meanings that I'm not aware of having been done in exactly that way elsewhere (though that might just be my ignorance).
>6) How many of you used it for prayer? For secrecy?
When I wanted secrecy I made new scripts (at least one of which I still have lying around somewhere, I think) and wrote English in them.
>7) For how many of you was it an intellectual exercise? >8) A language for a conculture?
Yes and yes. :)
>9) How many of you newcomers (and I see a lot of names I don't >recognize >in the six months I've been away) heard of the list first and thought-- >Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging!
N/A
>10) What is your definition of a mystical language? Would any of you >characterize your conlang as such?
I'm not sure what a mystical language would be...if you mean one used for specific purposes in religion, magic, the occult, etc., the answer would be no. Mathsyneir, Cian Ross cian@io.com http://www.io.com/~cian/conlang/ CCS !l cG:R:S:B: a++ y0 n4d:2d6 !R A-- E- L- N1 Isv k+ ia@ p m++ o P-- d? b? Veldaneas Lingwas