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Re: Language and "mysticism," whatever that is.

From:daniel andreasson <daniel.andreasson@...>
Date:Monday, April 30, 2001, 13:32
Sally Caves asked:

> 1) How many of you old- and new-comers started inventing > a language in isolation from the list?
I sure did.
> 1a) If so, how old were you?
Must've been about 19 or 20. I'm 24 now.
> 1b) Was it a project with friends or a solitary project?
Solitary.
> 1b) Did your invented language have some kind of private > purpose? esoteric? erotic? religious or mystical?
I don't know why I started really. I think I just wanted to see what would come out if I put together a language. I'm not so precocious as the rest of this list seems to be. I did invent secret alphabets and create games when I was about 11-12 though, with my best friend.
> 2) How many of you newcomers heard of the list first and thought-- > Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging!
I'm not a newcomer, but as I said above, I made conlangs before I subscribed to this list. My conlangs have become WAY better afterwards though. :)
> 3) How many of you, when you were starting out on this on your own, > did this kind of thing: you have a list of words you want to invent > new ones for, so you drew di-and polysyllabic words out of the air. > This is > what I did when I was new at this and a teenager. Many of these still > remain vocabulary words in Teonaht, but I've since then learned to build > up through word roots.
Not exactly sure what you mean, so I guess my answer is "no". I remember making up possible clusters and then making words out of them, which I then made sentences of. The grammar and the clusters looked like some kind of pseudo-Swedish. (And keep in mind I was 19!)
> 4) If so, how important was it that the new word sound > "exotic," "beautiful," or "suggestive" in some personal way > of the word you wanted it to stand for?
Very! The first attempts came put as total failures though. I'm still not happy with Rinya. :( I never autogenerate words. I always "feel" what would be an appropriate word for a particular concept. Unless, of course, it's an a posteriori language.
> 5) How many of you invented words to express concepts that > could not be expressed in your native language?
Not consciously, though I suspect I had that thought in the back of my mind. I do think of it now, otoh.
> 6) How many of you used it for prayer? For secrecy?
Nope, not me.
> 7) For how many of you was it an intellectual exercise?
Oh, definitely me! This was also the reason I started taking linguistics at uni, (and I'm very happy that my uni specializes in language typology).
> 8) A language for a conculture?
No. Though lately I've tried that too, but the culture always comes in second place (or rather fifth).
> 10) What is your definition of a mystical language? Would any > of you characterize your conlang as such?
Hmm... I'm not very aquainted with mystical languages. My definition would be that of a magical language, or used for magical or religious purposes (I've tried making a few for RPGs.)
> Yry poy poy firrimby, talk to you soon! > Sally Caves
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