Re: Accusative, Dative, ?

In lorya Daniel Andreasson:
> Isn't "to the beach" and "with them" ordinary prepositional phrases (PP)?
> I'd express them using eg. allative and comitative cases.
Yes; I just meant to indicate that verbs have varying numbers and combinati=
ons
of what might in a general sense be regarded as "patients".  You can go
somewhere WITH someone, you can study UNDER someone, you can live BY someth=
ing,
etc. etc. and the particular preposition used to indicate these objects is
somewhat arbitrary -- I doubt changing the above "UNDER" to "BY" would alte=
r
the meaning of the phrase at all, if that happened to be the convention.


> So basically, jurative is a way to make the language more exotic/cooler=
=20
> with special verbs which take three objects, instead of using PPs?
Not more exotic/cooler, but rather more straightforward and powerful :)
The first version of the grammar, called Danvet, had only two object positi=
ons;
I created a third object to give certain words a little more freedom.  In m=
y
language the role of an adposition is clearly defined and independent of th=
e
elements it links together, in other words the meaning of an adpositional
phrase is always entirely literal (studying "under" a professor would liter=
ally
mean sitting under his chair!), so the full weight of semantic connections
falls upon the three object slots.  It's more systematic than using
prepositions, and though -en, -er, and -em don't have quite the same mnemon=
ic
value as "by", "under", "over", "betwixt", etc. they're not too hard to get
used to as normally any verb you learn will have the same structure as anot=
her
verb you already know; the valency groups tend to keep semantic words bound
together in classes.


> That's really neat! Though, can you use jurative with any verb and
> still understand the meaning of it? Thus using jurative as a universal
> case/PP if there is only one more NP than S, direct OBJ and indirect
> OBJ?
> Example: I gave a record to my sister in my appartment.
> I.SUBJ  gave  record.DIR  my_sister.INDIR  my_appartment.JUR
Not just with any verb -- though if it's a verb for which jurative is usefu=
l,
chances are it will make use of it.  Though here there's a more standard
way of expressing this particular "third object", that is, with nilin --
indicating that the giving happened within the apartment (the -in is an
adverbial suffix, nil means "in", in the 3D sense of "within").


> Daniel Andreasson, who turns 22 today. Yay me! :)
"Grattis" p=E5 f=F6delsedagen, i s=E5 fall

JJS :-)