Re: question on sampa representation

On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 05:49:47PM -0800, Joe wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: question on sampa representation
[snip]
> > OK, I'm not even going to mention English pronunciation, but I *really*
> > want somebody who knows better to clarify exactly what is the difference
> > between XSAMPA [A], [O], and [Q]. IPA vowels continue to elude me. :-(
> >
>
> Ok, well, in RP, and a good deal of dialects(I'm afraid I can't really give
> any other languages as an example), the first two are almost universally
> long in English.
RP?

> [A:] is the |a| in 'father', almost universally
> [O:] is the |ough| in 'bought', in most dialects
> [Q] is the |o| in 'hot', apparently, but I have trouble telling the
> difference between [O] and [Q] when short, and [Q] is never long, really, in
> English.
OK, comparing it with "most dialects" really doesn't help me here. :-) To
me, 'father' is [fa:D@r] and bought is [bAt] (or [bQt] or [bOt], I really
don't know). I'm still as confused as before.


T

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