Re: question on sampa representation

----- Original Message -----
From: "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: question on sampa representation


> On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 05:49:47PM -0800, Joe wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@...>
> > To: <CONLANG@...>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: question on sampa representation
> [snip]
> > > OK, I'm not even going to mention English pronunciation, but I
*really*
> > > want somebody who knows better to clarify exactly what is the
difference
> > > between XSAMPA [A], [O], and [Q]. IPA vowels continue to elude me. :-(
> > >
> >
> > Ok, well, in RP, and a good deal of dialects(I'm afraid I can't really
give
> > any other languages as an example), the first two are almost universally
> > long in English.
>
> RP?
Recieved Pronounciation.  The sort you hear on the BBC.

> > [A:] is the |a| in 'father', almost universally
> > [O:] is the |ough| in 'bought', in most dialects
> > [Q] is the |o| in 'hot', apparently, but I have trouble telling the
> > difference between [O] and [Q] when short, and [Q] is never long,
really, in
> > English.
>
> OK, comparing it with "most dialects" really doesn't help me here. :-) To
> me, 'father' is [fa:D@r] and bought is [bAt] (or [bQt] or [bOt], I really
> don't know). I'm still as confused as before.
>
>
Oh yes...you're not a native speaker, are you?

Ok. Well, [Q] is the rounded version of [A], which is a low back vowel. And
[O] is slightly higher than [Q].  Does that help?

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