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CHAT: "*** you" (was Re: closet conlanging)

From:Eric Christopherson <eric@...>
Date:Thursday, December 24, 1998, 5:44
dunn patrick w wrote:
> In my conlang "Hatas-oa" (most of which, unfortunately, is dead, dead, > dead, since I accidently threw away my notes) there were actually > completely different verbs for different orientations' sexual > activities.
> To say "ea huvor entea" (uh, "bugger you!" coloquially, I guess) was no > insult, just an expression of either hte bald fact, or expression of a > desire, although if the expression of a desire, "poa" most commonly would > be used. To say, however, "ea shema entea" to a man, however, *is* an > insult, if said by another man.
I've often wondered, what is the story with the phrases "bugger you" and the more common American "f*ck you" (If you don't know it, you'll have to guess the vowel ;) ). They don't seem grammatically correct as commands; then they would have "yourself" rather than "you." Or was there originally another word, such as "I" at the beginning? If I interpreted your Hatas-oa phrase correctly, it is "I bugger you." Anyone have any ideas?