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Re: CHAT: XS vs. Kirshenbaum vs. Who-knows-what

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Friday, January 30, 2004, 5:43
Adrian wrote:
> Working Title: "FITS - Frivolous IPA Transcription Scheme"
I find this quite well organized, logical, and probably neater looking than XS, but one would want to see lots of it in use for a final judgment. A couple minor carps (consonants): --It will take a long time to get used to ~ as a symbol for palatal, rather than nasal.... --the abandonment of some cases of IPA=Roman, such as c j, and IMO worst of all x X = your lateral fric. Though I can't offer an alternative. Incidentally I don't see anything for voiceless l (unless that's your "x"?), or other such possibilities-- would you have to use the voiceless diacritic "l\f", similarly r\f , m\f , a\f etc.?? --You're presumably following IPA, but why have a separate symbol for velarized L (#) rather than using your "velarized" diacritic [l\K] --Most major carp: please please please introduce ' for primary, " for secondary stress. One tick, primary; two ticks secondary-- get it?? isn't that logical???? :-)))) On the vowels, a minor question: if R is the vowel of "heard", what about r-less speech??? If I recall my IPA, [3] is lower-mid, about at the same level as [E], just a bit retracted however, but not exactly central either (hence the use of epsilon for E, reversed eps. for 3, [and "3" thus makes sense, though I know you want to avoid using numbers]). There are 1 or 2 missing vowels, IPA "reversed e" for one, it seems a rare sound and personally I have no idea what it is, and have trouble with it in the online sound samples --no loss, AFAIC. You could probably handle it with "e\>" ?; and perhaps 3 could also be E> ??? in line with i> and I>. I take it % represents V??? Where then is 6 (IPA inverted a), a low vowel?? What is "( A)" supposed to mean? What would be its rounded counterpart, XS Q?? Low [&] also has a rounded counterpart, admittedly rare, but not indicated in your chart. Perhaps you need a "rounded" diacritic??? A final minor carp: why not retain = for "syllabic"??